Just so you know web database "skimming" just came up in the supreme court and was deemed illegal. And you can copyright your databases. Please consult council on this. I also want to mention that no queries or other methods will keep people out of your data if you put it on the web. If someone is determined they will get at it, even if they have to result to using M$ Office and VB objects ( yes it is possible ) and brute forcing every possible ID Key possibility. ( And thats why you have a chron called script look up the top site visitors. ) Patrick