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Okay, this clears a bit of the mist in my head. Blessing into whatever class I want is certainly, err, what I want. Your example of having an init() method is something I'll have to incorporate into my code; you're right on it being easily understandable. I also notice that you went with Utils and Utils::LowLevel rather than my Utils and LowLevelUtils - obviously I'm still learning the basics of designing a useful package hierarchy.

Now I have a question of laziness. Having re-arranged your code a bit:


#!/usr/bin/perl

{ package Utils;

sub new {
     my $class = shift;
     my $self = {};
     # Bless into the appropriate class
     my $obj = bless $self, $class;
     $obj->init(@_);
     return $obj;
}

sub init {
     # does nothing
}

1; }




{ package Utils::MidLevel;

@Utils::MidLevel::ISA = qw(Utils);

sub init {
     my $self = shift;
     my @args = @_;
     $self->SUPER::init(@args);
     # Now do initialization of object
}

1; }




{ package Utils::LowLevel;

@Utils::LowLevel::ISA = qw(Utils::MidLevel);

sub init {
     my $self = shift;
     my @args = @_;
     $self->SUPER::init(@args);
     # Now do initialization of this class
}

sub foo {
  print "foo\n"
}

1; }

print "Creating new Utils object\n";
my $util = new Utils;
#$util->foo();   # can't find method :(
print "\n";

print "Creating new Utils::MidLevel object\n";
my $mid = new Utils::MidLevel;
#$mid->foo();   # can't find method :(
print "\n";

print "Creating new Utils::LowLevel object\n";
my $low = new Utils::LowLevel;
$low->foo();
print "\n";

exit;

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If I add 
sub foo { Utils::LowLevel::foo }

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into Utils and Utils::MidLevel, then the $util and $mid objects can both find the foo method.

Now, if I'm pig-headed and am dead set against adding those kinds of stubs into Utils and Utils::MidLevel and similarly want to have Utils and Utils::MidLevel be able to access lower-level methods in this manner: 

sub do_highlevel_stuff {
  my $self = shift;
  my $value = $self->get_lowlevel_value;
  # ...
}

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rather than

sub do_highlevel_stuff {
  my $self = shift;
  my $value = Utils::LowLevel::get_lowlevel_value($self);
  # ...
}

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Well - can I have my cake and eat it too? That is, can I keep Utils aware of methods in Utils::MidLevel aware of methods in Utils::LowLevel without having to go through double-colon acrobatics (plus calling methods as regular functions)?

I'm guessing the answer to the above question is no; without stubs and without calling the methods functionally, there is no way to do what I want - just thought I'd ask on the off chance that there's a crafty way to do this. :)

Sorry if this post is hard to read due to incorrect usage of OO terminology (or other CompSci terminology for that matter)

(Good catch on extending Utils with Utils::MidLevel, btw. I have been thinking, "Gee, this really isn't really a low-level table action, nor a high-level action... it's more mid-level...")

blyman
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Re: Re: Re: Faking new() method in high-level package
by jreades (Friar) on May 08, 2002 at 23:13 UTC

    The problem that you're running into is that you're trying to run inheritance the wrong way (and possibly for the wrong reasons).

    The short answer is that you can't have a high-level class be aware of a low-level class' functions without embedding those kind of ugly stubs in your code (at least, not that I know of).

    The longer answer is this:

    If all subclasses of class Utils will have a method called do_something(), then having a method stub (meaning a method that does nothing) is appropriate.

    sub do_something() { return 1; }

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    This would allow you to pass around objects belonging to any of Util's subclasses without worrying about their specific type. You would know that all Util subclasses could be made to perform some action simply by calling do_something(), whether or not the something to be done is the same for each subclass.

    Looked at another way, if Util needs to be aware of a subclass' implementation of method then you've got the either the class hierarchy, or the class in which this method is declared, wrong. If calling Util::method() relies on Util::LowLevel::method(), then method() doesn't belong in the Util class since it doesn't work at that level of abstraction.

    Does that make sense?

    The other thing that is sounds like you are running into is the conflict between inheritance and composition.

    You're trying to build a toolset to be offered by Util while relying on a LowLevel toolset supplied by a class that inherits from it. This sounds like a case for composition, not inheritance -- HASA vs. ISA. If your Util class needs a LowLevel toolset, then you might want to tackle it this way:

    package Utils;

sub new {
    my $class = shift;
    my @args = @_;
    my $self = {};
    $self->{toolset} = new Toolset;
    return bless $self, $class
}

sub read() {
    my $self = shift;
    $self->{low_level_stuff} = new Functions::LowLevel;
}

sub doSomeOperation() {
    return $self-{low_level_stuff}->read();
}

package Toolset

sub new {}

sub read {}

package Toolset::LowLevel

@Toolset::LowLevel::ISA = qw( Toolset );

sub new {}

sub read {
    my $self = shift;
    return $self->readLine();
}

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    This approach probably only makes sense if you plan on having more than one toolset subclass (or you're doing a lot of OO work for little return). But now you have isolated Utils from the LowLevel Toolset class successfully and you could, for instance, make Toolset smart enough to instantiate itself differently (and return different low-level toolsets) based on the platform or something. This is one way to get a balance of abstraction and functionality, although there are, undoubtedly, many more

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      The problem that you're running into is that you're trying to run inheritance the wrong way (and possibly for the wrong reasons).

      :) theDamian's "Object Oriented Perl" arrived yesterday from Amazon; I haven't had a chance to look at it yet. I expect I'll understand this more fully after a few chapters.

      Looked at another way, if Util needs to be aware of a subclass' implementation of method then you've got the either the class hierarchy, or the class in which this method is declared, wrong... Does that make sense?

      Yes! Though I did have to re-read your whole post a few times before I understood.

      I'd ++ you more than once if I could on both of your replies; thank you for your clear and understandable explanations. I'm printing this page for my Perl binder.

      blyman
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