Yet the llama is "nice" and Robert's tutorial is nauseating. ... But I suspect neither you nor screamer ever used the word nauseating in describing the 2nd llama.

I would like to clear this up: not the tutorial by Robert Pepper is nauseating, but it being one of the better tutorials is. The Llama being this bad is too. How awful. :(

You point out some things about the Llama that I either forgot or didn't know because I read only a few chapters. Your list made me wonder how much Pepper borrowed from the Llama, but as I don't have that book I will probably not find out.

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