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hi wil!

I've had pretty same experiences as you had last year, so I think I know what you feel like. It's always hard to speak about coding to people that don't have a clue what amount of time the "program" they wish will take. I also found out that it's VERY important to discuss out if the things people want really are important or just nice-to-have. I even had experiences where people wanted stuff kinda because they were bored or something but then didn't really use it.

Currently I work in a room which is full of people who know what coding is about, even if I'm the only person here who codes perl, the others do PL/SQL mostly. But the point is that they know what it is all about and that saves you a lot of time. Also my boss has quite a few years of coding-experience so there usually aren't long discussions needed to find out how long it will take to do the job etc.
If you have only people arround you who do word-processing mostly and that's it, it often takes more time to find out what they really want than the time you need for coding itself. You start to discuss, then their mind changes after you told them what is necessary etc and so on...
I think it's always good to request a clear concept of what people want, what they want it for and how important it is. There are everywhere lots of things that could be made easier by coding a script and automating stuff that has beed done by hand until now...so you will get lots of requests pretty soon, once people know "that guy can do that!", so you have to set clear priorities.
But as I said my boss knows about coding so I didn't have to argue in any way, because if there is a problem I tell my boss and don't have to argue with people usually :)

What I don't like is when someone "important" in a high position wants something and then it has to be done, doesn't matter what kind of time it takes and if there are other important things but I guess that's pretty usual....

greetings,
giant
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Re: Re: On being a developer amongst non-developers
by vladb (Vicar) on Jul 17, 2002 at 17:47 UTC
    Righ, as a consultant, I had to deal with similar requests for 'enhancements' and other 'gotta-haves'. I had also spent some time working for a small .com firm back when it was all hipe and glory. Luckily, my boss too was quite aware of what it takes for a program to work properly as he had a PhD in Comp. Science. This helped me alot as I didn't have to explain a lot of dirty details of my trade.

    Nontheless, I feel that it is equally challenging to communicate with those who have no ground knowledge in 'programming' and those who by far and wide exceed your own skills in the field. In the case of my previous boss, at times he seemed to percieve a task to be overly simplistic whereas it turned out to be quite a task in the end, for me at least ;). However, whenever I had to talk to my boss, I was always careful to reassure him that a project will go smoothly as even at the time of a major setback, as a developer I know the word 'learn'. Throughout my short career as a developer, I have learnt that it doesn't hurt to learn new things to complete your job faster and right. Be it Perl, C/C++, or even Pascal, all are good to use for various purposes.

    With this in mind, I hardly ever deny a request for a certain feature or piece of code despite of the fact I may require to learn something new to complete the job. I guess I'm at odds with wil on that point. I feel that when I'm hired to work for a company as a developer, it may be somewhat damaging to basically go about trying to explain other co-workers that you are in certain ways 'inadequate' for a job/project. You should never as a developer limit yourself to the use of only one tool, be it 'Perl' or something else. For one, this 'revalation' may be ground to your replacement with a new developer that would have knowledge of the tool you are familiar with and more.

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