Check out mason. It features all the healthful goodness of Perl, but is significantly slicker than emb-perl, and compares very favorably with Zope, mainly because, well, it's Perl. Since it's Perl-in-HTML instead of Perl-with-HTML-stuff, so to speak, it's also much easier to get along with graphics design types who might faint at the sight of a few lines of code. Typically you put your HTML code with embedded mason stuff (it goes in the classic <% and %> tags), and the Perlish nitty-gritty goes at the bottom. --TQuid