Agreed on both points. The problem comes in when JS becomes a requirement for the application. I think the problem arises when people read BUU and your original posts and misunderstand that JS is like a condiment - you add it for flavor but the dish stands on it's own without it.

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use B;
printf "You are here %08x\n", unpack "L!", unpack "P4", pack
  "L!", B::svref_2object(sub{})->OUTSIDE;
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