I've noticed in a few posts (mine included) that we've quoted text verbatim out of various Perl books. Sometimes, I just cut-n-paste solutions from the Perl CD Bookshelf, with a tad of HTML cleanup.

From a legalise standpoint, how do we feel about this? I imagine that technically we're violating a copyright. On the other hand, we're generating book sales, since I've seen several people mention they were going to run out buy the book.

I do know that I make it a point to name the book and chapter, but that's primarily so people know where to look in the book later.

Is this a practice we should continue with? Does anyone really care? Do we care, from a site lawsuit standpoint?

--Chris

Have we talked about this before, and I just totally missed it?

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RE: Quoting the masters...
by reptile (Monk) on Jul 12, 2000 at 02:33 UTC

    While I'm most definitely not a lawyer, I'm quite certain that posting snippets of books is considered Fair Use and is perfectly legal. If your lawyer is slick you could probably even convince a judge that your quoting a text was for educational purposes which is also a copyright exception under fair use.

    So I'm pretty sure it's not a problem.

    local $_ = "0A72656B636148206C72655020726568746F6E41207473754A"; while(s/..$//) { print chr(hex($&)) }

      A very good article outlining Fair Use (which is a very grey legal area) is availible here. Going by what the article says, limited quoting from published sources is acceptable in the context of this site because 1) we are only quoting bits n' pieces (as oposed to significant chunks of the full work) 2) we aren't profiting by quoting the chunks 3) we aren't FUing the copyright holder's ability to profit from his/her work and 4) (and this is a little dicey, but) this site is primarily an educational resource (although, legality wise, I'd stick with the first 3 points rather than rely on #4, which is quite a bit weaker.)

      Yeah, yeah, IANAL, but I've had a lot of classroom (as teacher and student) and lit mag (writer and editor) involvement, so Ive spent a fair amount of time researching Fair Use. ( and i would have gotten away for it if it weren't for those darn kids and their IP attorney dog . . . )

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RE: Quoting the masters...
by BigJoe (Curate) on Jul 12, 2000 at 02:51 UTC
    I would think that as long as nobody is posting whole chapters of books(and as long as the proper sources are cited) it would kinda be fine. It sounds like more like advertising for the book.

    I also think merlyn would be the best to give us information on how the book companies may feel about this subject.

    --BigJoe
(jjhorner)Quoting the masters...
by jjhorner (Hermit) on Jul 12, 2000 at 17:54 UTC

    I've always considered book quoting the same way we considered it in college: Quote, quote, quote, but reference, reference, reference. As long as we aren't passing the work off as our own, we aren't infringing on copyright, I believe.

    Passing snippets of code or text, with a reference to the book is okay, I believe. But IANAL!!!!

    J. J. Horner
    Linux, Perl, Apache, Stronghold, Unix
    jhorner@knoxlug.org http://www.knoxlug.org/
    
RE: Quoting the masters...
by le (Friar) on Jul 12, 2000 at 11:43 UTC
    I think that most of the information in Perl books (especially the ones written by our gods and published by O'Reilly) can be found in perldocs, sometimes sentence by sentence. I don't think they're copyrighted.
      Very little of the text in Learning Perl comes from perldoc, while nearly all of Programming Perl does. However, I'm sure you should keep quoting to a minimum unless it's from perldoc and you attribute it properly.

      -- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker

        Sure, merlyn, I don't want to infringe any copyright stuff.

        But what's about perldoc? Is this copyrighted? I don't think so. Am I wrong?

      It think you're talking about the Camel book here. Whilst it's true that the camel and perldoc do have a lot of text in common, they are both under copyright and subject to the usual restrictions.

      --
      <http://www.dave.org.uk>

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RE: Quoting the masters...
by visnu (Sexton) on Jul 13, 2000 at 11:42 UTC
    actually under the current copyright law, _everything_ everyone writes is inherently copyrighted to them. it does _not_ need a "(c) 2000 googoo bombo" attached to it to place it under protection. and everything quoted on this site does fall under fair use since it's quoted to explain a point or concept, _but_ legally the person should cite where they got it from. otherwise, it's taking credit for it which violates the law... technically.