in reply to Loads of Nodes

Personally, I would be against doing this.

I've only been using the site for six months or so, but I've not noticed the quality of postings changing significantly.

I don't think any node is superfluous as long as the person has a genuine question, and that question is being answered.

For me, one of the primary reasons perlmonks is a nice little site is its focus on communication between people. Adding barriers to posting, especially for novices, is going to cause some people to drop out rather than search or RTFM.

(wearing my usability hat - I've done user testing on an intranet that added this sort of feature and users did drop out at the stage when they were requested to search before posting).

While repeated and novice questions may be mildly annoying to some users they're easy to skip over and - more importantly - many people do take the time to answer them in useful ways.

As for searching, I've not had problems myself. Perhaps add a Super Search option to return results by node reputation?

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Re: Re: Loads of Nodes
by AcidHawk (Vicar) on Jan 07, 2003 at 12:32 UTC

    Point taken.

    I agree totally with you on the promoting communication bit. I find it really interesting that poeple dropped out when asked to do a bit for themselves.. how hard can simple search be..?

    I find the repitition less irksome than some of the "can you code X for me" ...?

    Just a thought.. ;)

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    Of all the things I've lost in my life, its my mind I miss the most.
      I find it really interesting that poeple dropped out when asked to do a bit for themselves.. how hard can simple search be..?

      It's not totally an issue of difficulty (warning: Adrian is about to wander off-topic and ramble about usability. Anybody interested in perlmonks should leave now :-)

      Some of the issues we found were:

      • Instead of one action (posting a message) you now have two (searching and posting a message). Each one has some finite possibility of a user fouling it up. More actions means that there are more chances for confusion and failure.
      • Since posting questions was more complex people skipped it completely and just used the search engine, or fell back to calling people they thought might be able to answer the question, email, etc. They got an answer (eventually) but, since it occured off-site the information never got onto the intranet.
      • It's hard to force the search and not annoy the user. We looked at two alternatives:
        1. The user composes the whole message and then prompted to search. Some users feels they have invested the time to compose a message - so don't bother checking the search results.
        2. Get them to enter the subject line first, then force the search. Users found entering subject without associated message confusing. People rapidly started writing lists of keywords instead of good subject lines to try and get better search results.
        Think of it this way. The users wants to get an answer to their question with the minimum effort expended. Posting a question will get you an answer. Searching may get you an answer. Writing a question takes a period of time that people can estimate well. Finding information using a search engine takes you an indeterminite amount of time - you decide when you want to give up playing with keyword variations.
      • Users didn't return to ask a question after the search task. They get into looking at their search results and "forget" that they were originally trying to post a question. Even if they fail to find a useful search result they never go back to ask their question!

      I could go on, but I'm sure everbody is bored by now!

      In my experience people tend to over-estimate the utility of the information built up using sites like perlmonks, and under-estimate the utility of easing communication. Weird as it may seem, people actually like to help :-)

        Each one has some finite possibility of a user fouling it up.

        You must have good users. Mine have an infinite possibility of fouling anything up... :-)

        Probability theory be damned.

        -sauoq
        "My two cents aren't worth a dime.";
        
Re: Re: Loads of Nodes
by mpeppler (Vicar) on Jan 07, 2003 at 18:04 UTC
    I tend to agree - as the author/maintainer of a few fairly popular modules (mainly because they allow you to connect to MS-SQL server from non-MS platforms via a non-standard/Open Source library package) I get quite a few requests for information. Usually it's about some incompatibility between my code and the library (FreeTDS), and in almost all cases the problem has been solved, and the answer has been given multiple times on various mailing lists or newsgroups.

    I try to always answer the question politely, and also point the user at the tools that would have answered the question directly (www.google.com and groups.google.com, usually).

    That way the user will get his/her answer, and may try a search next time s/he has a problem...

    Michael