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in thread use CGI::Carp qw(fatalsToBrowser);

Well, that's interesting. You're absolutely correct, but it seems odd to me that anything would get compiled before the use CGI::Carp is compiled, except maybe other use declarations or the contents of BEGIN blocks, since use is automatically placed in an implicit BEGIN block.

A little experimentation reveals that perl throws syntax errors even before compilation really begins (or, at least before BEGIN blocks. This is implied in the Camel, where it says that "the Perl compiler reads through your entire program source before execution start." I guess when they say that BEGIN blocks execute as soon as possible they mean AFTER a syntax check, 'cause before that, it isn't possible. :-)

I guess this makes sense... if perl can't parse the program it has to give up without executing anything... but it does make catching syntax errors in a CGI environment (no error-log, FTP only) problematic. I guess the alternative is to install Perl on your local machine and do all your syntax checks locally.

Gary Blackburn
Trained Killer

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Re^4: use CGI::Carp qw(fatalsToBrowser); (is compile-time)
by tye (Sage) on Apr 09, 2003 at 18:59 UTC
    A little experimentation reveals that perl throws syntax errors even before compilation really begins (or, at least before BEGIN blocks

    No. You show me your experiement and I'll show you mine. ;) Heck, I'll show you mine anyway: 

    BEGIN { warn "Compiled first line of script"; }
....

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    gives 
    Compiled first line of script at - line 1.
syntax error at - line 2, near "..."

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    or 
    use CGI::Carp qw( fatalsToBrowser );
....

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    gives 
    Content-type: text/html

<H1>Software error:</H1>
<CODE>syntax error at - line 2, near &quot;...&quot;
Execution of - aborted due to compilation errors.
</C0DE>
<P>
For help, please send mail to this site's webmaster, giving this error
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and the time and date of the error.

[Wed Apr  9 11:36:09 2003] -: syntax error at - line 2, near "..."
[Wed Apr  9 11:36:09 2003] -: Execution of - aborted due to compilatio
+n errors.

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    Syntax errors in code that appears before the use CGI::Carp line will not be caught. For many CGI scripts, this boils down to just the #! line. But as pointed out elsewhere in this thread, CGI::Application was being used and the CGI::Carp was being used in the wrong place for it to take affect soon enough.

    Perl code is compiled one-statement-at-a-time and so-called "compile-time" constructs get executed right after the statment they are contained in has been compiled. So there is no single "compile time" nor a single "run time". So each statement has one compile time and zero or more run times.

    Things like BEGIN and use cause statements' run times to happen sooner while things like eval cause statements' compile times to happen later.

                    - tye
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      And here's my experiment: 
      #!/usr/bin/perl

use CGI::Carp qw( fatalsToBrowser );

asfgafhafh

print "Hello";

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      yields 
      bash-2.05a$ perl test.pl
syntax error at test.pl line 7, near "asfgafhafh

print"
Execution of test.pl aborted due to compilation errors.
bash-2.05a$

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      ...which is just lovely if you have command-line access, but doesn't do you a lick of good through a browser (you'll just get a Error 500) even though the syntax error occurs after the use.

      Gary Blackburn
      Trained Killer

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        For me, that exact code results in: 

        Content-type: text/html

<H1>Software error:</H1>
<CODE>syntax error at - line 7, near &quot;asdfasefasdf

print&quot;
Execution of - aborted due to compilation errors.
</C0DE>
<P>
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+ message
and the time and date of the error.

[Thu Apr 10 09:01:20 2003] -: syntax error at - line 7, near "asfgafha
+fh
[Thu Apr 10 09:01:20 2003] -:
[Thu Apr 10 09:01:20 2003] -: print"
[Thu Apr 10 09:01:20 2003] -: Execution of - aborted due to compilatio
+n errors.

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        Perhaps you have a old/broken version of CGI::Carp? I'm using version 1.14.

                        - tye
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