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That's because "\374" eq "\xfc" eq "\x{00fc}" eq chr(252) eq chr(0xfc) eq chr(0374). That character is one byte long.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: length in bytes of utf8 string
by mrd (Beadle) on Jun 27, 2003 at 11:08 UTC
    Now I see what you mean. Is fits in one byte. But perl uses 2 bytes for it (because this is not ASCII but rather german umlaute):

    use Devel::Peek; use bytes; $c = pack ("U", 0xfc); print Dump($c); print length($c);
    Output:
    SV = PV(0x15d559c) at 0x1a45848 REFCNT = 1 FLAGS = (POK,pPOK,UTF8) PV = 0x15dd39c "\303\274"\0 [UTF8 "\x{fc}"] CUR = 2 LEN = 3 2

    But it seems that representing it as \x{fc} doesn't work, as somebody else already noticed.

      Perl is supposed to treat 0xFC as a single byte. UTF-8 is the oddball here.

        Perl is supposed to treat 0xFC as a single byte.
        No it's not. There are actually basically two different encodings for the same character: As one byte "\xFC" (ISO-Latin-1 string), and as 2 UTF-8 bytes, "\xC3\xBC" (UTF-8 string). That's one of the most annoying things about Perl's "smart" automatic UTF-8 processing: that it occasionally does the wrong thing, i.e. not what you mean, and that you're left to pick up the pieces.

        These strings are actually marked as different, internally: the latter will have the UTF-8 flag set, the former, not. Perl can turn the former into the latter by joining it with a UTF-8 marked string. I'm not totally convinced that is something to cheer at. But anyway: it may even be a zero length string.

        $x = "\xFC"; # ISO-Latin-1: 1 byte $x .= pack 'U0'; # append a zero length UTF-8 string # which will turn the whole thing into UTF-8! # hex dump: local($\, $,) = ("\n", " "); print map { sprintf "%02X", $_ } unpack 'C*', $x;
        Result:
        C3 BC
        Using tricks like these, one can force perl into submission, even without use bytes (works even for pre 5.8 perls):
        $l1 = pack 'C0a*', $s; # copies the bytes out of $s and marks the r +esult as non-UTF-8 $u8 = pack 'U0a*', $s; # copies the bytes out of $s and marks the r +esult as UTF-8 -- even if the bytes don't form proper UTF-8 strings!
        I agree. I thought that written as \x{fc} would get "special treatment".


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