i have no issue getting rid of them. as i said in the other reply, i thought there was some magick with constructors that happened with mod_perl because of the prototypes. i didn't think they really did much ..., and i've never bothered with them before this.

when i did Dumper( $r ); i got the Request object -- not what i wanted. as previously noted, i thought a My::Greeting object was auto-magickally created.