Hi Monks,

I have a 1 1/2 hour train ride to and from work which is usually a boring thing for me to endure. Sometimes I just drift off to sleep, other times I hack at code on my laptop and others I attempt to read.

It occured to me one day that "hey! It might be need to drop in on the Monastary while I am commuting and see what is going on via my wireless toys!"

I have two wireless devices that I carry with me all the time. I have a WAP enabled Kyocera Smart Phone and a Palm i805. I have tried both of them with varying success

The Kyocera works better than the Palm i805 but only sligbtly. I can log onto PM but posting and/or answering other posts is impossible. The input text area spills past the viewable area of the device.

The Palm is a disaster and I can't even log on since it doesn't even pick up the various form devices.

What are some experiences other Monks have had attempting to get to PM via wireless web?


Peter @ Berghold . Net

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Test the code? We don't need to test no stinkin' code! All code posted here is as is where is unless otherwise stated.

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Re: Wireless Access to Perl Monks (google)
by tye (Sage) on Aug 03, 2003 at 21:57 UTC

    Use http://wap.google.com/ to view PM, especially to view raw chat messages.

    To send chatter, use raw just_chat but not via google (google's WAP gateway simply throws away the contents of forms), though you'll have to log in first. I just use ?op=login;user=x;passwd=y (not via google) to get a cookie into my phone.

    For reading your private messages (/msg), I currently don't have a good solution (but I don't read mine frequently so I'm not surprised).

                    - tye
Re: Wireless Access to Perl Monks
by dws (Chancellor) on Aug 03, 2003 at 16:07 UTC
    What are some experiences other Monks have had attempting to get to PM via wireless web?

    I'm in Silicon Valley. We used to have the Ricochet wireless service, which allowed one to work while mobile (i.e., actually moving). It was sort of like a cell system, and would hand you off between sites. A friend who commuted on the train between San Jose and San Francisco used it, but found that he couldn't keep a steady connection. It was better suited for off-line composition, and a quick connect-and-send when the train pulled into a station. Unfortunately, that service never figured out how to pay for itself, and folded.

    I'm wireless at home, and my favorite local coffee shop is wireless. I usually works great, though some portable (not cell!) phones share the same frequency band as 802.11(b). I can tell when my neighbor is on the phone because my service degrades.

    Friends who travel have ponied up the bucks to use the wireless services that Starbucks provides, since there are Starbucks everywhere. They're generally happy with it, since it lets them connect from most major airports.

    I have two friends who try to connect through their cellphones, but they usually fall back onto something that actually works.

    I don't know anyone who does any serious connectivity with anything smaller than a laptop. I occassionally see someone with a wired iPaq, but that's rare.

Re: Wireless Access to Perl Monks
by chunlou (Curate) on Aug 03, 2003 at 15:56 UTC

    IE on PocketPC will work much better on regular HTML websites (as long as it has no frames).

    Of course, a WML page will work best on a WAP browser. Incidentally, some WAP pages are designed such that it can be converted to both WML and voice (using e.g. Nuance) more conveniently.

    Textarea is really not something expected on WAP. It's impossible to display on a tiny cell phone screen. And it's hard to translate correctly a long voice message into text.

    High speed wireless data access is still too expensive in general. It's like calling international long distance or worse. Ricochet was very good. Too bad it went out of business.


    ________________
    Update: Oh, Palm also uses its own invention to browse the Web. Kind of a hybrid between Palm database/application object and HTML, like a downloadable or downloaded webpage. I think it's best for data retrieval, not too way communication.

Re: Wireless Access to Perl Monks
by djbiv (Scribe) on Aug 03, 2003 at 16:00 UTC
    From my experience some 'major / well known' websites have different pages for portable devices to access with modified content developed specifically for handheld devices. I think yahoo, mapquest, and some other 'big' web sites have different pages / content that these devices access when browsing there sites.
Re: Wireless Access to Perl Monks
by liz (Monsignor) on Aug 03, 2003 at 13:48 UTC
    I've given up on wireless (WAP) access other than fetching carefully filtered mail and sending mail off. Anything else at those bandwidths is a waste of time, I think.

    Now, if they would have WiFi on the train, that would be a different thing altogether. ;-)

    I wonder if anyone has made a mail feed for new nodes from the Monastery?

    Liz

Re: Wireless Access to Perl Monks
by CountZero (Bishop) on Aug 03, 2003 at 19:05 UTC

    When we have to travel, we can try to persuade IT to loan us a mobile phone card. When in Belgium it works quite well, with reasonable speed, but outside of Belgium it is generally too slow to do anything useful on WWW, unless you have text only pages.

    You might ask why inside Belgium the card works so much faster? It turned ou that with the Belgian provider (Base) the card opened three connections simultaneously, thus speeding things up quite well (and of course tripling the connection costs at the same time).

    CountZero

    "If you have four groups working on a compiler, you'll get a 4-pass compiler." - Conway's Law

Re: Wireless Access to Perl Monks
by TVSET (Chaplain) on Aug 03, 2003 at 22:17 UTC
Re: Wireless Access to Perl Monks
by halley (Prior) on Aug 04, 2003 at 15:46 UTC
    Just a question of terminology, but it seems your problems are less with the 'wireless' aspect, and more with the 'limited screen' aspect of smaller portable devices. I expect some people use wireless links from laptops with better success.

    --
    [ e d @ h a l l e y . c c ]

Re: Wireless Access to Perl Monks
by Courage (Parson) on Aug 04, 2003 at 13:41 UTC
    I sucessfully accessed perlmonks.org with Cassiopeia E-125 PocketPC stuffed with WinCE. I did this last summer at the village very far from our city.

    I could successfully login, read and even post answers, but postings were really rare.

    Most pleasant of all this was availability of Perl on my PocketPC that I used to compile by myself and starting from that moment I put binaries at perlce.sourceforge.net. Now I have also Tcl::Tk and can use it from perl as well.

    It's very handy to, when waiting for something, just pick perl out from pocket and play a bit with it...

    Courage, the Cowardly Dog
    Hehehehhehehe...................
    :):):)

Re: Wireless Access to Perl Monks
by chunlou (Curate) on Aug 04, 2003 at 03:03 UTC
    Anyone actually has tried "wireless bubble" (not sure how it's really called), i.e. some open area somehow has wireless Internet access for everyone in the proximity to use for free? (But I always hesitate to flash fancy equipment in public.)
Re: Wireless Access to Perl Monks
by serich (Sexton) on Aug 06, 2003 at 23:40 UTC
    I have a Kyo SmartPhone as well. (Now a 7135, had a 6035) I use the built in browser every now and then, however if I really want to do stuff I hook my phone to my computer (synch cable or cradle) and have the phone login to the net.
    I don't know which provider you are with, or where you are, but using Verizon Wireless in USA you can just have it use your minutes to connect, and don't have to use WAP (i use mozilla with images turned off to speed it up). The plus is you can use IM and get mail on your laptop. If you want more info check out http://www.smartphonesource.com or send me a msg.
    Probably not an answer for the masses, but Kyo phones rock.

    ~Erich