in reply to A knotty problem.

Interesting experiment, I'd give it a go. Here's my solution -

Assume the width of the paper strip is W. The small pentagon knot has side length of L, where L = W / cos(18 degree).

The total length of paper required by the small pentagon knot is: (2*L + L*sin(18)) * 4 + L*sin(18).

Five such pentagons are needed to build the large pentagon. Giving the total length requirement of ((2*L + L*sin(18))*4 + L*sin(18))*5, which simplifies to 47.725424859 * L. The relationship b/w L and the Diameter of the circle is: L = D * sin(36).

Thus the perl code:
# calculate length and width of paper strip # based on diameter of circle of inner edge sub NumberCrunch() { my ($diameter) = @_; my $L = $diameter * 0.58778525229; my $W = $L * 0.951056516; # W = L * cos(18) my $total_length = $L * 47.725424859; return ($total_length, $W); } ... my ($TotalLength, $PaperWidth) = NumberCrunch($Diameter);
The above should give the minimum length and paper width required to fold such pentagon, given the diameter of the inner circle encompass the inner pentagon.

Ok, this is just a quick solution I came up during my lunch break, don't be suprised if my number crunch is wrong. :-) I'd love to see other people's solution to this problem.

Second solution: if inner is regular decagon, then L = D * sin(18), and Length = ((2*L + L*sin(18))*4 + L*sin(18) + L)*5, and W = L * cos(18). Simplify the equations and modify the perl script to get the solution for the second part of the question...

PS. I vaguely remember seeing this knot in ancient greek geometry, where golden ratio and the self-repeating patterns were discussed.

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Re: Re: A knotty problem.
by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Sep 29, 2003 at 15:13 UTC

    Thanks Roger++. That sorts me out.

    My problem, which is perfectly clear even from the ascii art, but eluded me last night is that my assumption that ...the pentagon, with the five sides the same width as your strip.... is completely falacious. The strip passes through the sides of the pentagon at an angle (of 18°), hence the width is just under 5% narrower than the length of the sides. Seemingly a small difference when the strip is only 10 mm wide, but multipled 48 times has a dramatic affect on the overall length of the strip.

    That explains why I was having trouble tying the dratted thing. I was 24mm short!


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      It was a fun problem to solve, and I am glad that you found my calculations useful. It made my lunch break very fun.