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I'd tend to say two things. First off, it is correct. The pattern set by the other two, and continued into the third, is that they are a part of a perl expression. If you prepend $NODE->{reputation} to them, then you'll get an expression that shows how the node's rep is changed. In this case, it isn't changed at all, and +=0 expresses that flawlessly.

OTOH, the patten set by the other two that it removes 1 vote from your pool of votes. That's a false pattern, clearly, and nowhere do "++" and "--" suggest that.

What do /you/ suggest we call it, that still fits the pattern from the other two, and has the same semantics. Oh, and that won't confuse people upon seeing it change?

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Re: Re: Null vote is incorrectly labelled?
by Roy Johnson (Monsignor) on Jan 15, 2004 at 16:53 UTC
    What do /you/ suggest we call it, that still fits the pattern from the other two, and has the same semantics. Oh, and that won't confuse people upon seeing it change?
    I would suggest "abstain" or "defer", to differentiate it from a vote. That lack of differentiation is the reason people find it non-intuitive, after all.

    A Perly label that would be (IMO) no more confusing than "+=0" would be "#": commenting out the previously indicated vote (on the other hand, you're not actually making a comment). Or "sleep", which connotes that you may do something later, but not now. I rather like that one.

    Update: Another idea: "=undef", since as long as you choose that option, the node has no mathematical rating from your perspective.

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      "defer" is non-perlish. "abstain" is both non-perlish and incorrect -- it implies that you are making a positive statement that you are not voting, and will not vote. You abstain because you think that the act of voting is improper. This is mearly not voting. It's the difference between recusing yourself because of a conflict of intrest, and just not showing up.

      I rather like #. It implies a true NOP, a throw-away. +=0 implies you're actively doing nothing, which rather gets in the way of later implementing a query vote. I don't like "sleep" because it's alphebetic, unlike the others.

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        Wouldn't abstain imply that you're turning off the node (or perhaps the node's reputation) altogether, until such time as someone reinstates it? 

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Re: Re: Null vote is incorrectly labelled?
by EdwardG (Vicar) on Jan 15, 2004 at 17:18 UTC
    What do /you/ suggest we call it

    "==" seems in harmony with the proceeding "++" and "--", at least superficially.

    I can't vouch for what confusion it might cause, some are more sensitive than others. And I surely wouldn't want to bruise the sensibilities of those who seem to care even more than me.

    If it is a design constraint that the label itself be part of the perl expression then "+=0" fits, though it seems a little arbitrary.

    ...you care /way/ to much.

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      == implies that you're voting to keep the rep the same, or testing the rep. It implies even more strongly then += that you're going to loose a vote, which isn't what we're going for.

      It would be a good name if the "abstain/query" vote ever gets implemented, though.

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