As a primary langauge PHP programmer, I would have to comment here that PHP progammers tend to regard Perl with the fascination of a child staring into a tank: It's big, it's powerful, it can really get the job done... but how the hell do I get started with it? Perl code, from the outside, looks to be a convoluted mess. It's only when you get into it you see what it's mean to be: A simplified Practical Extraction and Reporting Language. PHP/FI was just meant to intepret forms. Huge difference in the origins of these two. I don't think anyone I've ever seen has said "Perl Sucks FYEH" (What in the world is a FYEH?) but rather is more intimidated by it.