i wasnt specifically blaming the tools ha :p, i was just saying that it does give unexpected results, just like that listctrl. it works great until i wxLC_SORT_ASCENDING then it terminates any colored entry after the first. seems like it should work either way tbh, but also if you read further into my message i also say that it is probably something i was doing. :) i am not knocking perl or the time these people take to port wxwidgets to perl, to me is great that perl has such an active community behind it. and not to mention how much i enjoy it