There is a lot in this subthread about "it's not like that"; but nothing about what it is really like.

Not that anyone will care, but all I originally asked was "On the ground, in practice, what is achieved by the Agile process -- stand ups, sticky notes et, al -- that isn't (not can't be) achieved without it?".

I was interested in hearing what people who actually used it, but aren't necessarily Kool Aid drinkers, felt about it in real world use.

Same way that I asked my neighbour who had solar panels fitted to his roof, how he was getting on after a year.

I am a skeptic about them -- in this country, with our weather at fixed angles that weren't designed to capture sunlight and that can't track the Sun -- I consider the sales pitch that I've listened through a couple of times and been forced to cut short about once a week for the last five years, as close to a bare faced lie as I ever had pitched to me.

I don't believe the hype; but I'm always interested to listen to real experience from the trenches.

In my neighbours words: "it isn't saving me a huge amount; but it hasn't cost me anything; and I'm doing my bit for the environment.".

The first Solar Panel salesman that opens with: "You won't save a lot; but it won't cost you anything", just might catch my attention.

Somewhere between the sales pitch and the anecdotal bad experience; is what most people actually experience; and it was that I was interested in. Logic is rarely polemic.

Update:It's also worth noting the fifth word of the title of this series of threads; hence why I thought I might get a straight response from eyepopslikeamosquito; but gave clear indication of my stance and leave to ignore. Which he has. Which I respect.