I am somehow embarrassed that I didn't look into the source code myself. My excuse is that I was convinced that somebody out there already had a list showing which value SUBCHAR is under which circumstances.

In a perfect world, you shouldn't have to look into the source, everything would be explained in the documentation.

Regarding using a coderef for CHECK, I think I had got that in the meantime, but IMHO the question remains if a malformed character has an ordinal value at all (quite sure yes, but which?).

I would assume that - for converting bytes pretending to be UTF-8 to perl's internal representation - the CHECK coderef would be called with the value of the (first) offending byte. For the other way (perl to UTF-8 bytestream), I would expect to get the (first) offending perl character that can't be expressed as UTF-8 bytestream.

Let's test that:

#!/usr/bin/perl use v5.10; use strict; use warnings; use Encode 2.12 qw(); my $octets="a\xFEb"; # ^-- byte 0xFE ist invalid in UTF-8, see https://en.wikipe +dia.org/wiki/Utf-8 my $string=Encode::decode( 'utf-8', $octets, sub { my $value=shift; return sprintf('<0x%04X>',$value); } ); say $string; $string="a\x{123456}b"; # ^-- Unicode is defined from 0 to 0x10FFFF $octets=Encode::encode( 'utf-8', $string, sub { my $value=shift; return sprintf('<0x%08X>',$value); } ); say $octets; $string="a\x{00C4}b\x{263A}c"; # a A-Umlaut b Smile c # ^-- not available in ISO-8859-1 $octets=Encode::encode( 'utf-8', $string, sub { die "Should not happen"; } ); # from_to() converts bytes, not characters. To make things easier, # I use a destination encoding where 1 byte = 1 character. Encode::from_to( $octets, # in-place 'utf-8', 'iso-8859-1', sub { my $value=shift; return sprintf('<0x%04X>',$value); } ); binmode STDOUT,':encoding(utf-8)'; # I use a UTF-8 terminal say $octets; # implicit converting from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 due to bin +mode above

Output:

a<0x00FE>b a<0x00123456>b aÄb<0x263A>c
I have asked question 2) mainly because I felt that not explaining SUBCHAR is a substantial lack of documentation and was hoping that I had overlooked something.

Yes, the documentation could be improved. If you can spend five minutes, file a bug. If you can spend an hour or two, create a patch for the POD and submit it. You know now quite well what's missing in the POD, and how it should be explained. Perhaps post a preview for discussion here.

(If you are working for a boss (and not for fun), explain him/her that this little bit of time is a kind of "usage fee" for the huge amount of well-written code you use from the perl community. That was my argument for publishing the initial Unicode patch for DBD::ODBC, and my boss was quite happy with that. We had the patch, we needed it, and by publishing it, the Unicode support became even better. And the best: I don't have to support it any more. mje has merged it into DBD::ODBC and improved it since then.)

Alexander

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Today I will gladly share my knowledge and experience, for there are no sweeter words than "I told you so". ;-)

In reply to Re^5: Question about Encode module and CHECK parameter by afoken
in thread Question about Encode module and CHECK parameter by Nocturnus

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