i'm not opposed to books. they are great. i've read many. the one you suggest is not one i have read. so ... i will check it out. most folks generally point me in the direction of the tutorials and documents one can easily find. but, none address the issue i'm having. most just talk about one module, and not many that interact together and require each other in circus - sometimes two modules need each other in order to do their job. i think this is the underlying problem i'm having, but i can't be 100% certain. mainly because I lack a group of friends whom i can have a face to face conversation with. one man band kinda sucks, but i'm determined to get this site up and going!