I even know of organizations where design and development of the testing environment begins at the same time as — or even well before — application development.

Those are the ones that never finished their original project, because they spent all the time debugging their tests that have been written by the same people as the actual project code.

perl -e 'use MIME::Base64; print decode_base64("4pmsIE5ldmVyIGdvbm5hIGdpdmUgeW91IHVwCiAgTmV2ZXIgZ29ubmEgbGV0IHlvdSBkb3duLi4uIOKZqwo=");'

In reply to Re^3: Needing help on testing by cavac
in thread Needing help on testing by Zenzizenzizenzic

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