thank you for the suggestion problem is that i have to make everything run from the one web server and i can install any new binaries on it (we dont own it, we only get web host from it) so i cant hotlink off to any other server like i would have to for lily or jabber. I have figured out how to make a daemon so my problem may be solved, i will have to stress test a few ideas and add in a feature or two but my tests worked which is good :)