thanks Tachyon, however since the whole point of using robotUa was to follow the rules, i could have used mechanize and pretended to be a browser, but they can block you in thier htaccess file for that. Anyway googlebot isnt written in PERl and i dont think they would buy it was google bot anyway, besides some sites let googlebot index less than other bots. Thanks for the post though, if my RobotUA delay feature doesnt stop taking minutes, i might just resort to mechanize and your idea.