Fair enough. I've updated my previous to OT. There had been some heated discussion about the Perl build systems across a couple of threads, and it's gotten to the point where expletives and slightly abusive language has been involved. I guess my point - perhaps expressed incoherently - is that it seems to me that open source works best when the consumers realise that we can't demand features and hector developers. We can discuss ideas, even debate issues, but ultimatey, if something doesn't work as I want and it ain't gonna change, I either try something else or fix it myself if my skill levels are up to it.