While I think changing join is a bad idea, I also disagree with the majority of your points.

First of all, LISP hasn't been a total failure commercially. Viaweb aka Yahoo! Store comes to mind first. Though it was rewritten a few years ago in Perl/C++. Though I think that was more because they lacked in-house expertise once Paul Graham left.

Aspects of functional programming are quite useful and a PITA to replicate imperatively.

And just because you have trouble groking map and other functional code, that doesn't mean it wouldn't make perfect sense to someone who thought differently or had a better grasp on the subject.

-Lee
"To be civilized is to deny one's nature."

In reply to Re^4: RFC: Should join subsume reduce? by shotgunefx
in thread RFC: Should join subsume reduce? by Roy Johnson

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