Well perhaps there should be more "on the plus side" I was just kicking off a topic for discussion. For example, a storable doesn't automatically provide multi-user capability. I was thinking of something that would have the facilities of a Storable plus the scalability and transaction-handling of a DBMS with sufficient flexibility to be used in place of RDBMS's and offering everything that Perl can do already. I was thinking for example that you would be able to send it a Perl expression and it would preload data declarations for the database not just those in the script being sent across. And yes, I am sure there are plenty of people out there having a go or having already implemented at least some of such a spec. - but AFAK not yet definitelvely or completely.