Its odd having more then one place to reply on a thread. Thanks for telling me what AoH is stiller, I should have thought of that. Well I am thinking about going the Catalyst route. It seems like overkill but I thought that about tt2 before I started making my own little template system. Does catalyst work well with tt2? It looks rather... big. Also it seems to talk about SQLite. Does it also work with mysql? I have mysql on my server for doing mail routing. Also if I do go the Catalyst route should I move the system to a DB? Does it have a prebuilt thing that does about what I am trying to do? I started this project with a mind to do a quick convert of my old mailer address book manager so I have not really looked into what is already made for this kind of thing. Thanks!