Thanks for that. I am going to try the move idea which Ithink I can do by setting a tag for all the items I want to move.
I do not think that I need to know where the widget is originallyif I simply use the neagitve values of the move to get them back again.
However, for other reasons I would like to find the current position of them.I know where they are to begin with but I do move them.I could keep a record of their moves but it would be much simpler if I could find out where they are.As my original question showed I have tried various things but without success.Is it possible and if so how?