this is dejavu my little rant about PHP becoming so popular when PHP became loaded with properly unified frameworks as part of the standard stack. CPAN was great at the start to encourage experimentation and helping others, in the Open Source fashion. perhaps perl needs a similar thing to be revived. it's still a great language, but modules/frameworks and so many variants, are also detriments to mainstream takeup. Lately i'm seeing servers with perl 5.6, left un-upgraded, because there's too much effort needed in upgrading it and all the modules etc..and they still do their rudimentary perl tasks as quiet achievers.