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As a CPANPLUS user I have had zero problems using Module::Build.
You see, CPANPLUS falls into the same category as M::B for me, namely "solutions looking for a problem". Both replace modules with supposedly hairy internals that have been carefully tweaked and polished over years to do their jobs quite well. Both have chosen to compete head-on with mature solutions, and both often compete based on criteria (extensibility, maintainability) that are only relevant to a tiny fraction of their users. I wish them well, but you'll have to forgive my not seeing a compelling reason to switch.

As a module author I vastly prefer it to EU::MM since it's really easy to extend.
As a fellow member of the module-authoring elite, I've never needed to extend EU::MM. I'm not sure whose experience is more representative here.

Next there is the problem that the declarative makefile style isn't always suitable to express the dependencies and processes you want to happen
I take this as a challenge... people manage to write major programs in Prolog and Haskell, despite their declarative natures ;). YMMV, of course.
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Re^5: Module::Starter, a helper for new module authors
by adrianh (Chancellor) on Apr 06, 2004 at 09:33 UTC
    You see, CPANPLUS falls into the same category as M::B for me, namely "solutions looking for a problem".

    CPANPLUS falls into the same category as M::B for me too - except it's the category of "thank goodness - at last a solution to some long standing problems" :-)

    I wish them well, but you'll have to forgive my not seeing a compelling reason to switch.

    Then don't ;-) I was just pointing out another solution for automatically handling M::B's Build.PL files. I believe a patch has gone into CPAN too, so hopefully that will make it into 5.10 and make the whole issue moot.

    Indeed, if you avoid the 0.22 and 0.23 releases CPAN should cope quite happily with a M::B install now, as long as there is a passthrough Makefile.PL.

    As a fellow member of the module-authoring elite, I've never needed to extend EU::MM. I'm not sure whose experience is more representative here.

    Of course, if you don't need the functionality then don't use it. I'm not trying to force people to move to M::B - honest :-)

    I just that, for me, the improvements that M::B gives me in building and installing modules are worth the minor-to-non-existant pain of dealing with CPANPLUS and/or passthrough Makefile.PL files that I have encountered.

    I take this as a challenge... people manage to write major programs in Prolog and Haskell, despite their declarative natures ;). YMMV, of course.

    I'm not knocking declarative languages. I've done a lot of Prolog in my time (I even reinvent it in Perl on occasion :-). It's just that inserting bits of Perl into a makefile via EU::MM is non-trivial.

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