*bump Yes. I've used PObject in a couple of toy projects and got to quite like it. I'm pushing the use of it more now and running into some issues. I want to create multiple storable objects of different types in a class tree. I want to inherit everything from Pobject so it is storable, but there needs to be about 3 layers beneath that. So far using @ISA methods I've had no luck. A tut on inheriting and derived PObjects would be lovely. Otherwise its solid. I've had one 'toy' project in test production with 170 days uptime, no grumbles from PObject no locking collisions or nonsense from the simple db_file database. The objects in that have about 60 entries and there are about 3000 in the db. Andy