For those of you who consider mr wasser automatic for flames, think of the time when you were "young and foolish".

I know the young part is a compliment Wassercrats.

But he brought up a valid point using some statistics.

His analysis is shallow to say the least, and I'd consider it not-read-into-enough. Too simplistic. But that gives NONE of you the right to treat him less than a human being.

And I've told him before, you should at least consider what people say, but if he doesn't want to do certain things, that's his will.

The only outcome is possibly bad code.

So to you who have begged him to leave, what makes you any better that you should stay here yourselves?

Are you too good to teach others the errors in their ways?

Do you not know how to properly refute an argument?

1. Wassercrats composes some statistics.
2. Wassercrats might consider switching to a different language because of the statistics.
3. People said "fine with us".

Do you not know how to interact with the community?

At least wassercrats has the due dilligence to try and makes some sense of things. It's not always right, but he tries.

And that's certainly worth a lot more than your unneeded flames.

Abigail

I don't like what you are implying here. You are suggesting that we all once behaved like Wassercrats. Could you either backup your claim with references (the Internet has a good memory) or retract your words?

I doubt that anyone here has never made a false statement and not retracted it. No, I won't retract.

"compliment"? Do you mean "competent"? I don't know Wassercrats age, nor do I think that matters. I don't discriminate, and I don't think "older" people should be judged differently than "younger" people. As for Wassercrats being competent - perhaps he is. However, I don't recall any post of him suggesting he is. All I remember are posts of him attracking a lot downvotes. I haven't decided yet whether he's a troll or just a sad case.

I meant what I said, and said what I meant. I know that he's no youngin'

He did? He brought up a point? What point did he bring up?

That there's smaller growth in perl. I dont' agree with it. end of story.

Who did? Did anyone call him names? Please don't accuse people without being specific. Give us names and quotes. I reread the thread, and I don't see anyone treating him as "less than a human being".

Then you haven't read the entire thread. Re-read it.

Yes, but if he doesn't like how people react on what he's saying, he shouldn't voice his opinion. Freedom of speech works both ways.

Yes it does. And it doesn't stop me from trying to get people to be a bit less inflamatory themselves in hopes that maybe with a little kindness, Wassercrats changes his ways. He's not a complete troll. He has some value in him I believe. And as it goes both ways as you so nicely put, I won't retract my words as you've asked earlier.

The only Perl code posted in this thread was mine. Could you elaborate on why you consider that "bad code"?

Not in this thread. his past posts.

Now I am confused. First you critize us from writing replies to the "young and foolish" Wassercrats - yet you expect us to teach him his errors. Do you expect us to visit him in person?

It's called due diligence. Otherwise, we should just give everyone attitude problems and reject them based on first impressions. And worse yet, give the impression we are elitist. Even though Wasser has had a history of bad ideas, being immature about it just makes the community, our community, look worse... immature.

What do you expect people to say? No, please, don't do that? Didn't you say about him if he doesn't want to do certain things, that's his will? If he doesn't want to program in Perl, isn't it your own idea that it's his will he shouldn't?

Yes, "Haven't you left yet" is a fine argument. It totally disagrees with the information he posted.

Have you stopped beating your wife?

Yes, 'cause it's her turn to beat me. Wtf?

Djee, what a good last sentence of a post that's mostly a flame.

Reread my post. First half was not a flame.
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think of the time when you were "young and foolish".

When I was "young and foolish", and boy did I have my moments, I got my "young and foolish" butt smacked around when I said stupid things. You are not going to learn how foolish you are unless "older and wiser" (or at least more experienced) folks sort you out.

That's not to say anybody is "smacking" Wassercrats around. Although.. I think he likes it when he is.

Youth or inexperience is not an excuse for stupidity. Just one of many explainations.

At least wassercrats has the due dilligence to try and makes some sense of things. It's not always right, but he tries.

And for that I give him a half point of credit. But in this thread he takes the data and draws a conclusion from left field. More and more people drive down the Garden State Parkway at 100MPH on bald tires so it's an upward trend so I should do it too....

Nahh... I don't think so.

I guess what really gets me going on this topic is I've worked with senior management places where that was how IT decisions were made. They looked at someone's wonderful charts and graphs and bought technology to fit what the "trends" were without bothering to check the source or do any critical analysis of the technology needs of the company.

I watched on helplessly as a complany I worked for spent easily 7 figures rolling out Exchange to replace a Sendmail based infrastructure. They had to retrain all of the nonIT staff, migrate the email data, the accounts and discovered that the load the original 4 mail servers running sendmail handled now had to be done with 18 machines. Maintenance costs rose, new staff was hired to deal with the Exchange servers (we need MSCEs to do this... right?) and on it went. In the end there was a massive layoff of IT staff (mostly programmers) and then later on after I departed for a new job (I wasn't hanging around) the outsourced the entire IT/IS department.

That all started with a Senior Vice President looking at a Microsoft sponsored presentation and saying: " HEY! Exchange is gaining market share! We better get on the bandwagon!"

You can't make stuff like that up... life is stranger than fiction.

Exactly. He made an invalid analysis and it's simple to refute. You've done a better job than I have proving, just 'cause it's "popular" doesn't mean it's "good".

Smacked..well.. I hope my prof's and mentor's never would do that when I was wrong. I've had people tell me I'm wrong, which is fine. I don't recount anyone calling me an idiot IRL just because I said something that was incorrect. Probably the lack of being able to smack back online beyond crafting a reply.

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Humma la beeba la seeba la bop

Smacked..well.. I hope my prof's and mentor's never would do that when I was wrong.

When I use the term "smacked" in most contexts I use it in the figurative sense and not the literal. The only time I remember being myself smacked or seeing others smacked for doing something foolish was in my military experience where doing foolish things could get you and your mates killed.

Of course, I understand that in todays "Politically Correct Military" using physical contact on a recruit or trainee is no longer an option.

Wassercrats has stated at various times in the past that he aims to get the worst XP on this site. Refuting arguments have proven useless on him (see VarStructor 1.0). One can only conclude that he is either a troll or has an excessively inflated ego. In either case, the best solution is to ignore.