Re^2: Closures & aliases

Okay. That explains the code, but now begs the question, why is it so?

I can think of two or three situations where I would like to use a pre-declared loop variable in a for loop and have it retain it's value afterwards.

What I cannot think of, is any benefit for it not doing so, nor any major/common caveat that it avoids.

Is a pre-declared, lexical loop variable localized (something that you cannot ordinarially do) for the loop body duration, for a "least surprise" or other DWIM benefit? Or is it simple a side-effect or caveat of the implementation?

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Re^3: Closures & aliases by QM (Parson) on Jun 06, 2004 at 02:47 UTC
A `for` loop and a `foreach` loop are slightly different. Adding to the confusion is that `for` and `foreach` are synonyms for each other (no pun intended). `for my $y ( @a ) {...}` [download] makes `$y` an alias for one element of `@a` each time through the loop. Writing `foreach my $y ( @a ) {...}` [download] is identical, but 4 chars longer to type. On the other hand, `foreach ( $x=0; $x < $#a; $x++ ) {my $y=$a[$x];...}` [download] would behave similarly, except `$y` is not an alias for elements of `@a`, but a copy. And using `for ( $x=0; $x < $#a; $x++ ) {my $y=$a[$x];...}` [download] would not change the behavior here either. Which form the compiler chooses is based on the argument list to `for/foreach`, and not the name itself! I hope that helps :\| Update: I wish I'd have said it more like hv did below. Maybe he'll volunteer to edit for me in the future ;) A `for` loop and a `foreach` loop are slightly different. I attempted (but failed) to say that the OP seemed to understand them as different entities. The only difference is what follows the keyword, and not the keyword itself. -QM -- Quantum Mechanics: The dreams stuff is made of	[reply] [d/l] [select]
Re^4: Closures & aliases by hv (Prior) on Jun 06, 2004 at 04:05 UTC
A `for` loop and a `foreach` loop are slightly different. No, they are synonyms, and therefore identical. Adding to the confusion is that for and foreach are synonyms for each other Yes, they are synonyms, and therefore identical. `for` and `foreach` are synonyms. They are therefore identical. However they are used (interchangeably) to introduce two completely different types of loop, the "C-style for loop": `LABEL for (EXPR; EXPR; EXPR) BLOCK` [download] and another one for which I know no convenient name (the "list-style for loop"?): `LABEL for VAR (LIST) BLOCK` [download] It is unfortunate that the presentation of these two loop styles in perlsyn implies that the keyword for the first is "for" and for the second is "foreach", since that isn't true: the two are synonyms, hence interchangeable. Hope this helps. :) (no pun intended). None implied. Hugo	[reply] [d/l] [select]
Re^3: Closures & aliases by diotalevi (Canon) on Jun 06, 2004 at 00:57 UTC
I don't know why, I jsut know it is documented that way. I guess foreach could make a copy of the value for each element but I'd guess it'd be slow then.	[reply]