in reply to Can I use MS Frontpage?

I really don't advice you to use Front Page.

I give you these reasons:
  1. FP generates too much trash code on it's files.
  2. FP as other sad MS products generates code that is suitable for non-standard applications, such as FP Extensions
I really advice you to learn some HTML (believe me, you'll need this knowledge) and / or use other editor, such as Macromedia's Dreamweaver.

Best regards,

my ($author_nickname, $author_email) = ("DaWolf","erabbott\@terra.com.br") if ($author_name eq "Er Galvão Abbott");

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Re^2: Can I use MS Frontpage?
by destreet (Initiate) on Jun 08, 2004 at 14:39 UTC
    I'm not in love with MS, but bashing them doesn't solve my problem. The version of Office I have came with FP - and I don't really want to spend several hundred dollars on new software. 1. Is just not correct - it like to make a couple of extra directories - and on modern servers a few extra bytes really isn't a problem. 2. I'm already using FP and my pages run on a UNIX server and any browser - so what is non-standard? I do a lot of work in HTML - FP has a view that allows for this. If you can recommend a freeware or GNU product fine.
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      Recommend open source products for writing HTML:
    • Apache Web Server
    • Gvim

      It doesn't cost a thing. You might have to expend some effort learning how to use these products, but once you have done that you'll wonder why you ever wasted your time and money on crap like FrontPage.

      Plankton: 1% Evil, 99% Hot Gas.
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      I usually agree that bashing a piece of MS software isn't very constructive, but geez, we're talking FP here ;-)

      1 it like to make a couple of extra directories - and on modern servers a few extra bytes really isn't a problem.

      As long as FP would limit the extra bytes to the server, I wouldn't have any probs with it, but it generates tons of HTML "crap" that you spit towards your visitors. Not very nice, IMNSHO.

      I'm already using FP and my pages run on a UNIX server and any browser - so what is non-standard?

      The frontpage extensions for one ... After I've seen what it had done to a server, I refuse to touch a server which has them installed (the "installer" messed a LOT up, permission-wise). Besides that, it may look good in "any" browser you have tested, but I bet my money on it that it doesn't validate ;-)

      If you're used to editing stuff by hand already (which is a good thing, if you'd ask me) why not use the earlier mentioned gvim? Or any text editor for that matter. Since you run your site on a UNIX machine, SSH into it and edit your files there. Then you can see the results of your alterations in Perl scripts right away :-)

      --
      b10m

      All code is usually tested, but rarely trusted.
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      Well, sorry to bash a MS product (I usually don't do this), but almost any experienced webdeveloper will tell you the same thing I did.

      Let me explain in other (softer) terms:

      • HTML is a language created to develop webpages. It has a DTD and some specification (see The World Wide Web Consortium for some boring, technical, but useful info on this).
      • HTML is *NOT* a language that should be oriented to be used with a specific software.
      • FP is the *WORST* HTML editor I (and at least half the professionals) know to do the job.
      • The great majority of webservers around the world *AREN'T* produced by MS, so you *WILL* have problems.
      • There are other free options to use and you'll have to learn to do the code yourself anyway, even if you use Dreamweaver (wich, in my opinion is the best Visual HTML Editor).

      After all of this I can't imagine one good reason to use FP

      Believe me, I don't want to sound cocky, but as soon you get some real experience dealing with HTML you'll agree with me.

      I rest my case.

      my ($author_nickname, $author_email) = ("DaWolf","erabbott\@terra.com.br") if ($author_name eq "Er Galvão Abbott");
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