This is why you use libglade and it's XML features. It produces the GUI as a description file that any program language can read, thus seperating the GUI definition and the code. As a result the code can work with multiple GUI definitions and you can change the GUI without changing the code. Python GTK has an excellent module for libglade. I don't know if Perl has one or not -- let me know if it does, I like Perl better. --MPD