I understand why the MBTI would show positive correlations with choice of profession. I see no reason to believe that astrological signs would. Extraordinary claims and all that.

Be aware that I don't subscribe to the supernatural background of astrology or believe in anything supernatural. Also, the daily horoscope is clearly cow manure, and the rest of what I'll say applies solely to birth horoscopes.

I've had a long-standing interest in psychological personality profiling methods, and was quite intrigued when I discovered the MBTI several years ago. I later also came across the enneagram and a whole legion of what seem to be essentialy permutations of the MBTI working along different axes.

I was chatting with a few others about these kind of things a few years ago, and people mentioned their personality types and results from other psychologically founded tests right along with their birth horoscopes, which were supposedly rather accurate. Out of curiosity, I had mine done when someone offered to do it.

Well, in a number of ways it read quite like an INTP profile.

So I asked around, and well, as personality profiles, birth horoscopes seem to have better-than-random precision. That was just gut feeling at this point, however.

So I recently mentioned this to a psychologist I was talking with, and he mentioned that a few surveys had been conducted that apparently revealed a correlation. Obviously, there was much controversy about them at the time of the publication of each. I have the titles and ISBNs now (ISBN 3442307465, ISBN 3471774173), but I'm afraid they're written in German. :-)

So that's were I currently stand. There are indications that a correlation exists, and scientific method says that a theory is to be tested by its predictions. If such a correlation actually exists, there has to be a natural explanation for it, as far as I'm concerned. I won't be surprised to find that the world is a lot more complex than we perceive.

Remember (if I even have to remind you of all people) that correlation does not imply causality. I don't think the stars located millions and billions of light years away from earth have anything to do with our personalities; but something about their timing may well coincide with quite earthly processes we are not aware of.

I have no idea. All I know is that facts cannot be denied, so I want to find out more.

Makeshifts last the longest.

Well I don't read German, so I'd have to learn German to be able to read the study which makes that claim. And then I'd only be in a position to start evaluating the accuracy of the claim. You'll pardon me for not being immediately overwhelmed by this fact.

When I had a brief interest in astrology many years ago, here is what I found out. First of all a well-written horoscope will leave about 70% of people convinced that it is fairly specific and applies well to them. This makes anecdotal evidence easy to find and makes studying it in a precise way difficult. I also found that attempts have been made to find correlations between personality and sun signs with a general lack of success.

Note that when I say general, I do not mean absolute. There was at least one study that found a significant correlation between personality and sun signs. However upon re-examination of the data, the study sample fell into 3 groups. Those who had little knowledge of astrology had no correlation. Those who had some knowledge of astrology had significant correlation. Those who had a lot of knowledge of astrology had no correlation. The explanation appears to be that people who had some knowledge of astrology tailored their answers to what they thought right based on a limited understanding of astrology. Those with little or a lot of knowledge answered more accurately for who they were. (When you know enough astrology, you can justify virtually any personality by stressing the influences of the moon, various planets, etc just right.)

Anyways now there are much more efficient research tools to skim what's known about any particular topic. Lemme visit Google, notice that the first link seems irrelevant, and then links number two, three and four show lots of studies that looked hard for a correlation and didn't find one.

As for the rest of what you say, it was all conditional on a correlation being found to exist. But that correlation remains unproven (in fact it has been demonstrated that, if it exists, it must be pretty small), and so we have no need to rush out and figure out how we're going to rewrite the science books just yet.

Without commenting on the issue of scientific study of the veracity of Astrology, I'd like to point out that both western Astrology and western Psychology come from the same intellectual history. Theories of the four elements, the humours, etc. have been around for several thousand years and however much contemporary psychology as a discipline would like to divorce itself from them, they are its foundation. This is particularly true for some followers of Jung, who explicitly used Astrological and related thought as the basis of his theories (not of course adopting them in whole). It is no coincidence that Astrology and the *Jung*-Meyers-Briggs typology have overlaps, in fact, it would be quite surprising if they didn't. It is another question whether one sees that as a strength of Astrology, or a weakness of Jungian typologies, or neither.