DrHyde wrote: Same applies to perl code that is hard for a fluent perl coder to read. It's crap code.

If you can't read my "hello world" program, you're right. My program is crap. However, some problems are hard. There is no easy way to solve them and thus there is no easy way to express them. For example, most people do not refer to Damian Conway's modules as "crap", but frequently one finds them to be crap by your definition. While Damian can be viewed as an extreme case, it's because he chooses to solve extreme problems. I've worked with chromatic before and I've seen him write some head spinning code -- but not for "hello world."