Re^8: Web forum markup language and the Monastery ([[...]])

I do prefer:

    <h1><font size = "3" color = "red">Heading</font></h1>
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over

    <p><span class = "big-red">Heading</span></p>
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with a style sheet that says "big-red" should be displayed in a big red font.

I do not think that many web authors who didn't use <h1>, but a <font> instead will if they go to CSS, suddenly will use logical markup. They'll just replace their font elements with span elements.

If I'd get a penny for every CSS enabled webpage that was hard or impossible to read when CSS is turned off in the browser, I'd be rich.

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Re^9: Web forum markup language and the Monastery ([[...]]) by hardburn (Abbot) on Jan 19, 2005 at 15:58 UTC
I do not think that many web authors who didn't use `<h1>`, but a `<font>` instead will if they go to CSS, suddenly will use logical markup. CSS isn't aimed at such people. It's aimed at the people who realize that depracating the font tag was a good idea, but still need an alternative. Idiotic developers are going to stay idiotic, but only education can help them. If I'd get a penny for every CSS enabled webpage that was hard or impossible to read when CSS is turned off in the browser, I'd be rich. HTML is hard to read in notepad. What's your point? And why are you shutting off CSS in the browser? It's not a computationally-complete nightmare like JavaScript. "There is no shame in being self-taught, only in not trying to learn in the first place." -- Atrus, Myst: The Book of D'ni.	[reply] [d/l] [select]
Re^10: Web forum markup language and the Monastery ([[...]]) by Anonymous Monk on Jan 19, 2005 at 18:08 UTC
And why are you shutting off CSS in the browser? Because sometimes, you don't have a choice? Sometimes, all you have is an 80x24 dumb terminal. You may use a browser then that's CSS aware, but all it says is "Can't change the font. Can't use colors. Can't draw a border here. Can't change the font-size." Etc. And sometimes people have specific requirements. They need large, clear, fonts because otherwise, they can't see them. They need black on white, because with anything else, they just can't read it. Their only option is turn off (author supplied) style sheets. They need their own styles, either with a style sheet, or by browser configuration. That's why pages should be understandable with CSS turned off.	[reply]