and in response to dragonchild. if you read my post (along with my first post), i stated EXACTLY what i was looking for. the problem arises in that what i want is not generally in good practice. yes i realize that, and yes i even appreciate you pointing this out to me. but i am not looking for improvements, this is in fact what i want to do. ...and just to state one more time, i did not intend that to depict shouting and i am very appreciative of the time and help that has been bestowed upon me!