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Re: RFC to site changes and XP changes
by holli (Abbot) on Feb 16, 2005 at 10:08 UTC
    AM I WORTH THE LEVEL ? All i have done is to put questions and learn through the answers given by real monks and saints.
    Seems you´re not here long enough to have realized, that RFC´s regarding the experience-system, get massively downvoted as sure as hell.
    Points should be alloted for replying to queries.
    It´s voting, so other people decide about the reputation of a node, hence your xp, not an automated system.
    Points should not flow automatically unless they have contributed.
    mmh?
    The user should be given an option to step down any level or minus one level.( as i feel I am not eligible enough to even be called or known as an acolyte )
    You can call the gods if you feel like it. Other people have done that before.
    An option should be given to where the user wants to place his node or wants to move his node.
    Moving nodes is a right reseverd for the janitors. With a good reason, imho. It prevents other people from excessive head-scratching (I know this node was there...)
    For the very same reason we are not allowed to delete self-written nodes. However once you get Consideration powers you can consider your own nodes to be moved/deleted.
    As this group now has all possible questions and answers a more user friendly search should be give in such a way that I give my problem in one sentence and it gives me the documented answers , maybe from the existing nodes or from the perl network in www.
    There is Super Search. I don´t know if i have seen a more powerful search engine, yet. Bah, google.
    There is no specailized perl course in india , so please make people aware of any training programs if any worldwide. This will make more people to enter here and check out whats next on perl.
    I cannot disprove you on this, but this is not a switch site for (commercial) perl-classes ...
    I suggest from the expertise you all have , you can form a team and get associated with some Indian Software firms to give training in perl and this can mint a lot for you and mean a lot for people like me.
    nor a job-agency or company.
    9)Please correct me wherever I am wrong and indicate me wherever I am right.
    Done.

    Update:
    Corrected minor typos.


    holli, /regexed monk/
Re: RFC to site changes and XP changes
by Tanktalus (Canon) on Feb 16, 2005 at 14:29 UTC
    AM I WORTH THE LEVEL ?

    I've been here only about 9 days longer than you ... and I'm nearly level 8, Bishop. Am I worth the level? Depends who you ask, I suppose. I'm sure I could point to a couple of people who wish I'd go away, at least on certain topics.

    So, to the question. You think that simply asking good questions should not get you some XP, but answering should. Then you're missing the point. I vote for good questions because they are, in my opinion, questions that show thought, show some trial and error, and are questions that others likely have, but may not have gotten as far as the person posting the question has.

    If you are providing on-topic, thoughtful questions for discussion, why shouldn't you be recognised for it?

    That all said - I've had thoughts about how I would re-organise the XP system if I were given the ability to do it, and if I could convince enough people. I'm sure many people have. But most of my ideas are implementation changes, not concept changes. The concepts of getting XP for posing good questions or giving good answers are good ones, I think. They help promote the community that is PerlMonks. After all, there would be no good answers without good questions. Check out Best Nodes sometimes. You may notice that it often shows 5 or 6 posts from the same thread - good posts (questions and answers) beget good posts, and all are recognised for participating. Seems reasonable to me.

    (No, I'm not going to go into my thoughts on re-implementing these concepts - I had that desire ... about 9 days ago ... but I got over it :->)

      It would be real funny if the user settings allowed the user to provide a custom level-table :)

Re: RFC to site changes and XP changes
by husker (Chaplain) on Feb 16, 2005 at 17:30 UTC
    Your Ars level has nothing to do with your Perl knowledge. It has to do with your contribution (value?) to the Monastery. Good examples of this are me: (I'm an Abbot, but many of my points have come from "non-Perl" nodes) and, conversely, He Who Should Not Be Named (who probably knows a lot more Perl than I ever will, but whose level is directly based on his usefuless to the site.)

    Until you realize that your assumption that level = knowledge is false, the XP system is going to look very broken.

      Good point. To reiterate: the XP system is meant to encourage users to build a high-value web site. Users gain XP by doing things that add value to the site: writing good answers; writing questions that provoke thought and elicit useful answers; and — not to be forgotten — moderating site content by making value judgements on postings (i.e. voting). (Currently, monks do not get XP for exercising the moderation/consideration system, nor for exercising their special powers, if any.)

      Recommended reading: Voting/Experience System.

Re: RFC to site changes and XP changes
by hardburn (Abbot) on Feb 16, 2005 at 16:45 UTC

    AM I WORTH THE LEVEL ? All i have done is to put questions and learn through the answers given by real monks and saints.

    Learning is the whole point. You learn enough now so you can teach later. If that's what you've been doing, then you're worth the level.

    Points should be alloted for replying to queries.

    It would be trivial to make a WWW::Mechanize bot that would continually post jibberish replies to SoPW. Even with a timer to limit how fast you can post, the number of posts could easily outpace the ability of the consideration system to remove the posts.

    Update: Minor grammour change.

    "There is no shame in being self-taught, only in not trying to learn in the first place." -- Atrus, Myst: The Book of D'ni.

Re: RFC to site changes and XP changes
by talexb (Chancellor) on Feb 16, 2005 at 21:31 UTC
      Please correct me wherever I am wrong and indicate me wherever I am right.

    So, your first month on Perl Monks is ending on a bit of a sour note, based on the location of node on the Least Popular List.

    Your post is low enough that I haven't bothered downvote it, but I think you should be getting the message loud and clear that whatever Perl Monks is, it works fine the way it is, and folks don't take kindly to even *suggestions* about changes.

    If you'd done some resarch on the site or asked a few questions on the CB, you could have found the same things out in a gentler manner. No matter -- this site is all about learning and teaching. Sometimes the subject matter is metaphysics, and not Perl.

    Alex / talexb / Toronto

    "Groklaw is the open-source mentality applied to legal research" ~ Linus Torvalds

Re: RFC to site changes and XP changes
by wolfger (Deacon) on Feb 17, 2005 at 13:49 UTC
    3) The user should be given an option to step down any level or minus one level.( as i feel I am not eligible enough to even be called or known as an acolyte )

    Well, if you really want, you can visit thepen's node and click the "lose 5 XP" button. I think it's a silly thing to do, myself.


    --
    Linux, sci-fi, and Nat Torkington, all at Penguicon 3.0
    perl -e 'print(map(chr,(0x4a,0x41,0x50,0x48,0xa)))'
Re: RFC to site changes and XP changes
by ranjan_jajodia (Monk) on Feb 19, 2005 at 09:50 UTC
    Hi all,
    I donot think there is anything wrong in giving suggestions. Prad's intentions seem sincere.
    Let's not make the lack of intertia of change to be channeled to downvote his node. We may not like changes but that doesn't mean they are not good. If someone had not decided that some medium was lacking for perl programmers and it needed a change, this place would not have existed.
    Ranjan

    --Let Logic Rule--
Re: RFC to site changes and XP changes
by blazar (Canon) on Feb 21, 2005 at 09:23 UTC
    I have a few change requests regarding the experience or the rating system->

    1) Points should be alloted for replying to queries.

    Well, as somebody already pointed out and as you verified by yourself such propoals tend to be heavily downvoted. Personally I don't see anything wrong with discussing the XP voting systems, including proposals about changes to it, so I upvoted your post.

    However I disagree with this specific proposal, for it is quite reasonable that a good question, e.g. one that makes for good answers get a good rating too.

    I must say OTOH, that I'm too astonished at the IMHO surprisingly high rate some relatively naive questions get, especially if compared to some of the answers themselves. I have already felt like posting something here on the subject too, but after all it must just be that my opinion on the subject differs from that of (a large part of) the community.

    2) Points should not flow automatically unless they have contributed.
    I disagree on this too, for the same reasons as pointed out by others here, i.e. fundamentally because it rates the involvement in the monastry's activities. I only would like to add that the points awarded this way are only a bunch and I wouldn't be concerned too much about this if I were you...
    7) There is no specailized perl course in india , so please make people aware of any training programs if any worldwide. This will make more people to enter here and check out whats next on perl.

    8) I suggest from the expertise you all have , you can form a team and get associated with some Indian Software firms to give training in perl and this can mint a lot for you and mean a lot for people like me.

    All in all one thing that I do not like in your post is that it is about too many different issues that mostly have nothing to do each other.

    In particular as far as the latter point is concerned, I do not think it's particularly on-topic anywhere in PM (but I would be pleased to be proved wrong).

    Also, while both points arise from somewhat particular, localised needs related to your personal situation, for the former you broadened its scope as to propose something in relation with "training programs if any worldwide", i.e. so make it become possibly of general interest, while the latter is still confined in a local reality.