in reply to Re^2: Perl 6 links
in thread Perl 6 links

I agree with tye that "perl6" is not the right scheme. I suggested "aes" for a reason. "AES" is a very common way to identify the whole of apocalypses, exegeses and synopses. As are "[AES]\d\d" to identify specific documents. "S03" is as normal in Perl 6 jargon as "perlop" is in Perl 5 (it even describes the same thing: operators). It's hardly ever called "S3", "syn 3" or "synopsis 3", except by people new to the Perl 6 world.

Because "/^[AES]\d\d$/" is such a specific pattern, and because it has achieved the same status as "perlop" in normal usage, I think this should not be changed. Because of the specific pattern, they can perhaps be made direct links, without scheme, so linking them doesn't disturb the text flow in the source.

Juerd # { site => 'juerd.nl', plp_site => 'plp.juerd.nl', do_not_use => 'spamtrap' }

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Re^4: Perl 6 links (common)
by tye (Sage) on May 13, 2005 at 23:25 UTC
    "AES" is a very common way to identify the whole of apocalypses, exegeses and synopses.

    I've never seen that usage. Super searching for it I find few matches, the most recent of which (outside of this thread) is "use Blowfish or AES or some other cryptographic standard".

    Because "/^[AES]\d\d$/" is such a specific pattern, and because it has achieved the same status as "perlop" in normal usage

    Never seen that either. Doing an enhanced super search for that pattern finds that it has never been used for that purpose at PerlMonks in the last year except in this thread.

    And I doubt in 10 years "A03" will immediately trigger the proper memory while "apocalypse 3" probably will.

    I'm sure you hang out in some place where the usage is as you say. But if I saw "S03" at PerlMonks, I'd have no idea what it was supposed to mean and I bet (based on data) that many, nay most, PerlMonks visitors would be as lost.

    The fact that [grep] skips searching has had its problems and so is at least partially an example of something to avoid.

    I don't see myself wanting to link to a whole apocalypse much. I see myself being much more likely to want to link to a specific part of an apocalypse. At this point I doubt the official hosts of these documents have sufficiently addressed this desire, but I'll let someone else investigate and report if they care to.

    Elsewhere you mentioned hosting the A, E, and S at PerlMonks (don't forget whatever the Pugs things are called). This was already discussed and nixed by Larry himself.

    - tye        

      I've never seen that usage. Super searching for it I find few matches

      Perl 6 discussion with people actually writing Perl 6 code has began only very recently began on PM. Compare the thousands of messages in Perl 6 mailing lists to the small number of Perl 6 related posts here, and perhaps that can explain this. Do note that AES is most often written as "A/E/S" or with some other separator, and that it's used on IRC more than in mail (afaict). (There can be no \W character in a URI scheme.)

      the most recent of which (outside of this thread) is "use Blowfish or AES or some other cryptographic standard".

      This may be a good reason not to use "aes" as a URI scheme. Although I have absolutely no idea how the cryptography thing could have any meaning in that part of a URI. I don't think it clashes.

      Never seen that either. Doing an enhanced super search for that pattern finds that it has never been used for that purpose at PerlMonks in the last year except in this thread.

      More than 10% of the 4312 messages in my perl6-language mailbox mention an AES as /[AES]\d\d/. (86 of the matching documents are written by a certain Larry Wall.) Perl Monks does not yet have a rich Perl 6 history, except discussion about its features and possible syntax. Besides that, I expect that people write it in full here, because otherwise people might not know what is meant, but see also the next comment about this.

      It does help, of course, that S03 is the actual filename used for Synopsis 3: S03.pod and S03.html. See also the update in the root node.

      And I doubt in 10 years "A03" will immediately trigger the proper memory while "apocalypse 3" probably will.

      It does not have to trigger any memory, if A03 is a link to the document in question.

      if I saw "S03" at PerlMonks, I'd have no idea what it was supposed to mean

      Except, of course, if the S03 is a link to the document. Then you'd be really stupid if you still wouldn't be able to very quickly find out its meaning :)

      I see myself being much more likely to want to link to a specific part of an apocalypse. At this point I doubt the official hosts of these documents have sufficiently addressed this desire, but I'll let someone else investigate and report if they care to.

      The documents are generated from POD, and have useful anchors for their subsections.

      Juerd # { site => 'juerd.nl', plp_site => 'plp.juerd.nl', do_not_use => 'spamtrap' }