Ok, thanks people, I'll look closer into GD. I've used it before for graphs but I didn't know it was what I was looking for. The thing that was really making me angry about Image/PerlMagick was that before I installed Perl 5.6 for win32 it installed easily and worked perfectly... this time I had to struggle to get everything installed, and when I tried to use certain functions(read/write) I got the windows error "perl.exe application error: the instruction at "0x2800193b" referenced memory at "0xabacadb5". The memory could not be "read". I will look further into GD. Also, I noticed www.wizards.dupont.com has down for quite a while now...