Your posts and chatterbox offerings deal in large part with your grudges. I don't think I'm overstepping my bounds by much when I say that we have no interest in your grudges. We don't care whom you have on ignore, or whom you have "bad blood" with.

Your attempts to project onto people who voted to keep the node, and paint them as tantamount to the Klan are laughable. It might be instructive for you to consider the possibility that people see things differently from how you do, and that there might be a rational basis for their being less impressed with your pontifications than you are.

But failing that (as I feel assured will be the case), at least consider this tip: succinct trumps grandiloquent. This is PerlMonks, not CobolMonks.

I'm here to remind Monks who think that the Monastery is a Utopia, that it is not. It's a Dystopia.

Having said that, I feel in general that the Monastery is quite a good example of a normal human community, and not a Utopia at all. Clearly we get people here from all walks of life, all sorts of religions, all colours, most different parts of the world. Which would actually make it a more mixed community than live ones, which are restricted by distance. All we have in common (for most of us anyway), is a common interest in a programming language called Perl. We get calm people, angry people, people who hold grudges, people who are like sheep, people who speak out for their beliefs·, quiet people.. I could go on and on, no doubt people will recognise themselves and others in my list.

People act here similarly to they do/would around their friends or their coworkers, quite a few regard the people they communicate with here AS their friends. And just like at work or home or in the pub, tension is sometimes taken by joking about a commoly known person. References to "pointy-haired-bosses" are all in good fun (mostly, I hope :) IMO at least, this does not represent a feeling of "we are better than them", at least only in the sense that clearly "we" know about prgramming, and they dont. I don't doubt that such bosses also complain to their friends how annoying "those programmers" are, insisting on doing things their way, testing, taking longer etc.

I could go on, but basically I wanted to say that all the things that have been pointed out above, are what makes the Monastery a normal, HUMAN community, and most everyone I've conversed with here knows this.

Like in real life, there will always be one or two trouble makers, we can't do much about that but ignore them, or try to integrate them, or just hold up and make them know they are not wanted, it seems to have worked so far.

C.

So, what you're saying is that someone insulted you, did so anonymously, and you're outraged that two people thought such a simple tease didn't merit being deleted from the site.

Your point would carry a lot more weight if you'd responded to the Anonymous Monk who teased you instead of considering a node for deletion because it hurt your feelings. Get over yourself: as you say, "I'm here to remind Monks who think that the Monastery is a Utopia, that it is not. It's a Dystopia."

That means that you're going to get teased now and again. Especially so if you say things people think are silly. You liken the vote not to silence an anonymous insult to supporting the KKK. Well, I can think of many a dangerous dictatorial regime that liked to silence voices of dissent, as well -- yet no one is calling you a Nazi because you want to silence someone who mocked you. I see a disparity here.

I also find it hilarious that you are ranting at the entire Monestary because two people voted to keep a node that you found distasteful. Move on: you've wasted enough bandwidth on this, don't you think?

Interesting, I had just arrived here at PM Discussion to post regarding the Re^5: The Evil Embedded Space considerations.

I initially voted keep, and it had nothing to do with who you are, it was because I disagree with any OP requesting deletion of any reply to their own node. Full stop.

When ysth re-considered it, I voted 'delete'. However I was coming here to discuss what I saw as the questionable action of someone reconsidering a node for deletion 1) after such a short period, 2) when it was themself that un-considered the node.

My point here is that I think ysth's decision to both un-consider and re-consider was unwise. But also, don't presume everything that happens is personal; there were only 2 keep votes, and 1 of those definitely had nothing to do with you you are, other than the fact you were the OP in the thread.

In any event, anonymous posting of personal attacks ought to regarded as a nearly-automatic cause for node deletion

We all have to take any decisions we make on our own conscience. Some people's conscience may be "wider" or more "flexible" than other's, but in the end it is a decision to be taken by each monk himself. Some of these decisions may please us, other do not. That's life. In that way our Monastery is nothing different from the "real" world.

"Examine" ne "Judge".

There's a common saying around the Monastery: "Judge what is said, not who is saying it".

Um...I don't think it's that common. I've never heard it before. (yes, yes, I know I'm a newbie, but I've still never heard it before). I even did a super search on various sub sections of it, and couldn't find anything similar.

PS. I thought the trick to winning an argument was to compare your opponent to Hitler, not the KKK: http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2715 (I have not made this a link, as it is potentially offensive... funny, but offensive, too.)

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Is it a crime to be angry or frustrated?

There's a clear implication made by Anonymous Coward that I am engaged in some crime against the "society" of Perlmonks if I am frustrated or angry. How rational and fair is this, though?