in reply to Popularity of Perl vs. availability of Perl developers

I was very thankful, when doing an Electrical Engineering degree at university, that the Software Engineering course(s) I did were based largely in C (where a specific language was applied) and not in some other more obscure languages.

I wouldn't be encouraging universities to be conducting courses in Perl; universities are supposed to produce graduates with no practical abilities, but with a lot of good theoretical grounding on why things are done the way they are. I view Perl as a pragmatic language, but not a good teaching language, not when it comes to fundamentals.

In terms of advocating Perl, this is a tough one. For several years I resisted Perl because it just didn't make a lot of sense at first glance. When I started in web programming PHP had its appeal because it seemed an awful lot like C..

When I found myself developing real-world web apps, however, that had to talk to a variety of telecommunications equipment and databases and produce results in web form, I found myself experimenting with a few approaches. C++/OracleSQL, PHP, and then one day Perl.

My ongoing problem with PHP was that it took forever to start the interpreter - which was no good for CPU intensive cron jobs. My problem with C++ was that it took a long time to write (but I always get a thrill compiling anything to assembler!).

Perl, however, loaded so quickly! Finally here was an interpreter that didn't need to load 100s of modules just to start up. The use keyword was what converted me, and I paid more attention to Perl; now I am in love with the language, and it ranks almost equal with C and assembler as my languages of passion.

The thread, however, is about businesses and demand for Perl programmers; indeed it is hard (in Sydney) to find serious Perl enthusiasts. And I agree, as a contractor, it is a very good thing to be in demand. And I also agree it is a risk to a business to be based in a language that has a light potential employee base.

Having said that, though, any company finds it difficult to attract great staff. If Perl is a language that tends to be adopted by those who know what they want in a computer language then a company is going to have the same resourcing problems if they are looking for good staff..

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Re^2: Popularity of Perl vs. availability of Perl developers
by aufflick (Deacon) on Sep 25, 2005 at 03:19 UTC
    I mostly agree with you on your University comments. I am glad that my Computer Science study began with Pascal and from their went to C. The year after mine, Melbourne Uni Computer Science replaced Pascal with Miranda (a functional language) which I think is a capital idea - first teach students a less common (but powerful) approach before they get 'stuck' into procedural thinking so that they can see more than one way to do things.

    Software Engineering courses these days contain higher level subjects these days like Web Engineering where concepts like online communities are discussed. The fastest way to play with online communities is certainly not C :) Courses like that are definately up for alternative approaches like Perl or OpenACS (as is used for that course).

    FYI: I am based in Sydney myself these days, and your use of the term "enthusiast" is an important clarification. Developers or admins who know how to hack a short perl script are not the same as a Perl developer.

    Another thing I should point out is that I also didn't use to consider myself a "Perl Developer" - candidates for hiring as a Perl developer can include people comfortable and experienced with good programming practises who have shown their adaptability to other languages. Unfortunately that skill is even harder to test than Perl skills!

      I'm not so sure it's good to learn Miranda (or any other modern language) before C. It's painfull to go fourty years back in time. That's like teaching them chopping trees with a chainsaw first and then trying to teach them to use a hack. Yeah, you cut the tree down with both, but if you can do it in five minutes with a chainsaw, it feels stupid to spend an hour sweating with a hack. Sure sometimes hack is the right tool, but it should IMHO be taught first.

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        I'm not so sure it's good to learn Miranda (or any other modern language) before C. It's painfull to go fourty years back in time. That's like teaching them chopping trees with a chainsaw first and then trying to teach them to use a hack.

        I disagree. I've found it far easier to instil good development practices with modern languages and then move people to languages like C, rather than waste inordinate amounts of time teaching people low level languages and then spend time breaking them of the bad habits they pick up.