in reply to (ichimunki) Re: perlvars (font tag)
in thread perlvars

First, oops.

Second, basically trashing webpages that don't conform to the new standard rubs me wrong. It's nice to be able to separate content from layout, but it's not always needed or wanted, and shouldn't be mandatory.

I need to specify fonts in places where css isn't happening (homenodes) or where they make things more complicated than necessary. One Bad ThingTM about css are inlines that break offline. That last sentence required a font tag.

I remember when there was no font tag. If some people have their way i expect to see css eventually done away with. When css is superceded by the latest ultra-layout concept i hope it's at least retained as still useful, and for compatability with legacy content - just one more way to do it.

I hope that we're both satisfied to have aired some views on this and that further html discussion will take place via chatterbox /msg. This node is already too huge to host such a dubious debate :-)

Update: The "trashing webpages" comment is NOT referring to criticism of this script! See below for explaination.

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Re: (epoptai) Re: (ichimunki) Re: perlvars (font tag)
by ichimunki (Priest) on Jan 09, 2001 at 19:14 UTC
    I think a one line comment about font tags hardly qualifies as trashing a web page. I would rather talk about Perl, so I tried to be brief and non-threatening. *sigh*

    Added after reply: Not that I have a problem with user agents dropping the font tag thereby "trashing" the page, but it seems like a red herring to worry about that-- none of the larger web client projects lack support for it. I'm suggesting the web designer or CGI applications being written now stop using deprecated tags. Simple. That's the whole point of them being deprecated.

    It doesn't sound to me like you've researched CSS at all. If you'd look at it, you'd know that for you inline style addicts you can easily put the actual CSS into the <head> section of your document (or anywhere else in the document for that matter).

    I remember when HTML 2.0 was the standard too. I also remember when I had to program fonts bit-by-bit into my dot matrix printer. Heck, I remember when we had to change the daisy wheel on the TTY to get a different font. </stroll-down-memory-lane> How does that affect solid programming technique?

    CSS is a concept that is being sensibly borrowed for use on the web from a much older discipline known as typesetting. Even PageMaker 2.0 in 1988 had style sheets. Inline font directives are inefficient. If you want to change a consistent style you will be wrestling with search and replace throughout your document. If you must hardcode the style into HTML, at least don't repeat that inefficiency in your Perl.

    my $start_smalltext = '<font size="-1">';
my $stop_smalltext = '</font>';

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    This way if I'm reusing your code, and don't want to use size as a display differentiator, I can easily change to use a color, or any other acceptable font attribute.

    I'm not saying these things because I am some blind standard lover. I'm saying these things because you have better things to do with your time than fiddle with trivial bits of code any time you want to make a global change.
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      The "trashing webpages" comment was NOT referring to your criticism of this script! By that i meant the consequence for millions of legacy webpages that were written with deprecated constructs should these constructs pass into obsolesence and become totally unsupported.

      I'm not responding directly to or adding anything to this, just a correction. Enough already!

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