See, that would have helped me tremendously, and perhaps many of the other posters. "I'm trying to make it an obfuscation". Please use that phrase in the future if that's your goal... I'm sure many of us can come up with pulling out solutions. In fact some of us here spend far too much time doing that. {grin}

Otherwise, I'm just left with "why the odd goal", and I'm very goal directed so I have to understand the context of each one. I probably wouldn't survive long in a corporate world where things get done just because the boss says so. {grin}

Thanks for the clarification.

-- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker