in reply to Explicit thread context

Although this adds nothing that cannot already be done, given the disconnect between establishing the return context at thread creation time, and its effect at thread join time, I do see the motivation behind wanting to make that context more explicit.

I do have to wonder at the need for two separate interfaces though?

thread->create( { context => 'list' }, ... # -v- thread->create( { list => 1 }, ...

The latter seems entirely redundant, and also wrong.

  1. This is a single option with 3 possibilities--not 3 binary options.
  2. It adds complexity where none is necessary or desirable.

    What context results from this?

    threads->create( { scalar => 1, void => 1, context => list, list => 0 +}, ...
  3. My main objection is the effect on performance.

    One of the main use of the return values/context is going to be applications that use the spawn & die mode of operation. Short lived threads that do something, return the results to the parent and exit. Spawn another for the next task. A typical example might be a threaded server.

    For this kind of application, the time taken for the spawning thread to start a thread and get back to deal with the next incoming connection is critical to the overall performance. Once a connection has been accepted, the time between the accept and the first read is not critical, but delays in getting back to service the next accept are.

    The additional complexity of parsing and validating the dual interface comes at a critical point in those applications that are most likely to make most use of them.


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Re^2: Explicit thread context
by jdhedden (Deacon) on May 23, 2006 at 17:24 UTC
    I do have to wonder at the need for two separate interfaces though?
    thread->create( { context => 'list' }, ...
    # -v-
    thread->create( { list => 1 }, ...
    The short answer is flexibility. The former is more descriptive; the latter more succinct. Use the style which suits you best.
    What context results from this?
    threads->create( { scalar => 1, void => 1, context => list, list => 0 }, ...
    The official answer would be The behavior is unspecified. The technical answer is that the code checks for context first, and would then ignore anything else.
    My main objection is the effect on performance.
    ...
    The additional complexity of parsing and validating the dual interface comes at a critical point in those applications that are most likely to make most use of them.
    At most, the penalty is a few exists calls (1 for context which is first in the code, up to 4 in the case of void which comes last), plus a hash fetch. Further, this feature is implemented entirely in XS code, and so is quite fast.

    Additionally, if this feature is not used, there is no performance penalty. Therefore, if your code is really that super sensitive to response, don't use it.


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