Someone that "knows about computers", who we'll call "hacker", speaking to a graphic designer.

hacker: I've been asked to create a database for the bookshop. You did the book list didn't you?

designer: Yes, that's right.

hacker: How did you get the data?

designer: I typed it in.

hacker: Into what?

designer: Quark.

hacker: Can you export from Quark into a spreadsheet, a csv file?

designer: Ummm. I can make text files but each book has it's own text box and it might not work very well. And the columns come out weird.

He was damned right about that. It took three days to type it all out again.

Some of my best friends are graphic designers. :-)