Re^4: How do janitors get fired? (sneaky)

tye,
Although it risked some false positives (catching good, active janitors who happened to be out of contact with the site during the window), the alternative had greater risk of false negatives (alerting inactive janitors to jump in and request continued membership). Given previous attempts to cull inactive members from privileged groups, I think the level of sneakiness was appropriate.

It seems to me that reducing the false positives (you are a bunch of smart folks with access to logins and what not) would supercede culling inactive members as a top priority for obvious reasons. I am more than a little suprised to see that a no exception policy is being made and that this was done with the foreknowledge that people would be affected for no good reason.

Things would have to get a lot worse for me to leave the site but this change in behavior seems wrong to me. I fully admit more may be happening behind the scenes that would warrant this attitude but I am confused as to why that behavior would remain hidden from the general populace but acts to correct it would not. Whatever. Thanks for all your years of service.

Cheers - L~R

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Re^5: How do janitors get fired? (sneaky) by GrandFather (Saint) on Jan 10, 2007 at 21:15 UTC
My take on it is that the announcement was made in the janitors' wiki which is supposed to be read frequently by janitors. The implication is that if you didn't see it there then you aren't an active janitor so it is reasonable that you should be droped from the list. The "no second chance" decision is pretty much implied once the "only active janitors" filter technique for culling was selected and assuming that a large enough pool of janitors remained after the cull. It should perhaps be noted that even those droped from the list retained access to the janitors' wiki for a period after the cull to allow the discussion leading up to the cull to be available. DWIM is Perl's answer to Gödel	[reply]
Re^6: How do janitors get fired? (sneaky) by holli (Abbot) on Jan 10, 2007 at 22:13 UTC
Granted, but doing so during xmas holiday time was a bad decision. I, as a former janitor, was also pretty pissed about this and as a result I don't care for considerations anymore. Readmore tags, needed? Pff, I use Recent threads anyway. Code tags needed? If it looks disgusting I right click and look at the pages sourcecode. Title awkward? Who cares, there's Super Search. ... If this sounds bitter it is because I am. The blackamoor has done his part, the blackamoor can go. holli, /regexed monk/	[reply]
Re^7: How do janitors get fired? (sneaky) by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Jan 10, 2007 at 22:35 UTC
Most Company Articles of Incorporation, Charity Articles, Club rules and the like define minimum warning periods and have "Public Notice" clauses expressly to preclude the once common practice of calling Extraordinary General Meetings at short notice; over public holiday periods; and without due notification of shareholder and other interested parties. These practices were once the norm for mounting boardroom coups and hostile takeovers. They are generally seen as very dubious practices. Still. What's new about that in the running of PM. Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error. "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority". In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice. "Too many [] have been sedated by an oppressive environment of political correctness and risk aversion."	[reply]
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Re^6: How do janitors get fired? (sneaky) by jeffa (Bishop) on Jan 10, 2007 at 21:22 UTC
Yes. I did not read the janitors' wiki during the last months of 2006, a time when i was working 60-70 hours per week. If fact, i wasn't at Perlmonks very much at all during that period, but now i have more free time and i would like to be more active here. This decision was made behind many backs. I would have appreciated being alerted to this request to remain in the group, rather than having people assume that i would remain inactive. Not being able to appeal my case is the wound, and being told "thank, but no thanks" is the salt on that wound. jeffa L-LL-L--L-LL-L--L-LL-L-- -R--R-RR-R--R-RR-R--R-RR B--B--B--B--B--B--B--B-- H---H---H---H---H---H--- (the triplet paradiddle with high-hat)	[reply]
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Re^6: How do janitors get fired? (sneaky) by Limbic~Region (Chancellor) on Jan 10, 2007 at 21:18 UTC
GrandFather, That is my take too. I am sorry if anything in my post implied otherwise. My concern is that it was done knowing full well that good, active janitors would be affected but no addditional steps were taken to reduce these false positives and no exceptions on being re-admitted (despite admitted years of good quality service). Small wording update Cheers - L~R	[reply]