Every so often, the monastery gets questions about dealing with management, or coworkers or vendors. For those interested, you might find this article from Ben Stein interesting. Funny though, he doesn't suggest repetition as an effective means of communication ... "anyone, anyone, Beuller, Beuller."

-derby
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Re: [OT] How to Have a Business Conversation
by shmem (Chancellor) on Apr 17, 2007 at 17:42 UTC
    This article names what are common places for all who have absorbed the three virtues of programmers and have become aware of how they oppose social virtues:
    laziness <=> diligence impatience <=> patience hubris <=> humility

    Understanding dialectic and having a tagmemic worldview, together with sound reasoning (no link provided for that one on purpose) helps greatly avoiding the pitfalls named therein. Inner guidance is a grace.

    --shmem

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I dont like this whole article
by sir_lichtkind (Friar) on Apr 18, 2007 at 07:40 UTC
    He ends with "You'd be amazed at how many people don't know any of these rules. If you do, you're way ahead of the game."

    repeat: "ahead of the game"

    smells arrogant to me. i always thought life is about real friendship, love and such things not calculating behaviour to be nice with anyone. shure if your grown up you also have not the greater need to upset anybody just to feel better, but you know man.... if i really honestly feel that a comment sucks i dont like it to hide in nice but dont ment words.

    I always dislikes americans and other "wessis" or talk masters for the behaviour first to talk about how nice it is in idaho or where you come from. if your not completely stupid your see and feel what it is all for. and that really sets me up. when someone behaves like he thinks i'm stupid. Do you really want some good old handmade smacks, keep on talkin dude.

    best comment here is dont waste time, even when i would rather say take attention as precious, because time ... thats another real big subject .......

    have nice day :)

Re: [OT] How to Have a Business Conversation
by blahblahblah (Priest) on Apr 19, 2007 at 02:50 UTC
    I skim Ben Stein's articles in the New York Times on Sundays, and I never find them very interesting. He was so much more likable as a game show host :) This article had some merit, though I can't tell if he's trying to be funny or serious when he keeps coming back to "compliment, compliment, compliment."

    I'd recommend Conversationally Speaking for the conversationally challenged. I tend to struggle with conversation until I really get to know people, and I've picked up some good tips from that book.

    Joe

Re: [OT] How to Have a Business Conversation
by marto (Cardinal) on Apr 17, 2007 at 17:28 UTC
    "something d o o economics. Anyone? Voodoo economics..."

    I love that film.
Re: [OT] How to Have a Business Conversation
by DACONTI (Scribe) on Apr 19, 2007 at 13:36 UTC
    Hi derby,
    Thank you for pointing out the social aspects of programmer's lives.
    I found the article of Ben Stein actually very helpful for me, in contrast to some critics on these postings.
    May it be that my social skills are really bad?
    Regs,
    DACONTI