in reply to Re: Enlightenment and Frustration
in thread Enlightenment and Frustration

I didn't expect to be fluent right away,

What does fluency here actually mean? How do you define fluency?

I don't know if I consider myself fluent but maybe someone else would. Are my standards to high?

Does one have to be able to code a module without any reference?
Write a "complete" program without any reference?
Write an "efficient" program with/without reference?


I don't know.. makes me curious though... :-)


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Re^3: Enlightenment and Frustration
by liverpole (Monsignor) on Apr 27, 2007 at 14:13 UTC
    That's an interesting question.

    I'd guess for purposes of defining "fluent", a computer language could be considered fairly similar to a spoken language.  My native language is English, and I would say I'm a "fluent" speaker of English.  And, although I'm not fluent in any other language, I'm conversant in a few others.

    Similarly in Perl, I feel I am more "fluent" than in most other computer languages, even though Perl wasn't my "first language".  And just as I occasionally need to lookup English words in a dictionary, I often need to lookup Perl functions, idioms, etc. in the documentation.

    I guess, by extension to the analogy, one could liken cpan to specialized words in a spoken language -- if I needed to be able to hold a technical conversation with doctors, I'd need to understand a lot more medical terminology, whereas an in-depth conversation with quantum physicists might require a more specialized knowledge of the language of quantum physics.  Likewise, in Perl, there is a lot of "specialized" programming which I don't know intimately (if at all), but when I need to know it, I'll know where to go.

    So, the more "fluent" I get, the more comfortable I'll feel using my language skills (in either Perl or English), but I'll never stop having to look things up.


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Re^3: Enlightenment and Frustration
by syphilis (Archbishop) on Apr 27, 2007 at 13:20 UTC
    How do you define fluency?

    One suspects that he defines it in much the same way as the Concise Oxford Dictionary:

    2. a ready command of a specified foreign language.

    Cheers,
    Rob
      2. a ready command of a specified foreign language.

      But that's what I'm talking about... it's too unspecific. What is a ready command of the language? Never mind... I'm being too pedantic. ;-)


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        What is a ready command of the language?

        Q: How much water does it take to quench a thirst ?
        A: A sufficient amount.

        I'm one of those people who regard the given answer to that question as satisfactory.
        I suspect that you deem that answer to be unsatisfactory :-)

        Cheers,
        Rob